Public Safety Advisory Committee

* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:07] GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO [CALL TO ORDER] THE 20TH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2026. IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK. UM, CAN WE PLEASE TAKE ROLL? THANK YOU. MACIAS. PRESENT CHAIR, MILLER. ABSENT CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBER. COMMITTEE MEMBER. SORRY. OB STELLAR. UM, LER UP STILL NOW. HERE, RAMIREZ. HERE. HOLTON PRESENT. NELSON PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. UM, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE DID RECEIVE FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. THEY HAVE BEEN POSTED TO THE PACKET ONLINE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, I'M GONNA ASK SPEAKERS TO PLEASE BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK. AND THEN, UM, IF WE COULD PLEASE READ THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. THREATS OF VIOLENCE OR OBSCENITY ARE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING. A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UM, ERIC LELAND, COME UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. UM, MY NAME IS ERIC LELAND. UM, I THINK THERE'S ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT ABOUT, UH, FLUX, UM, SOFTWARE THAT I DON'T THINK IS WELL UNDERSTOOD. UM, IN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD TO DATE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US, I'M MAYBE DATING MYSELF, A LOT OF US HAD STEREOS IN THE OLD DAYS. WHEN YOU TURN UP THE VOLUME, YOU TURN A KNOB LIKE A PHYSICAL KNOB, AND YOU TURN IT UP AND THE VOLUME GOES UP AND NOBODY COULD TURN IT DOWN UNLESS SOMEONE GOT A HOLD OF THAT KNOB, TURNED IT DOWN, RIGHT? FLOCK. AND MANY OTHER SOFTWARE IS NOT LIKE THAT. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A CONTROL AND FLOCK THAT SAYS, I WILL NOT SHARE THIS DATA WITH SOMEONE, DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE THAT CONTROL EVEN IF YOU CLICK THE BUTTON, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT ISN'T YOUR SOFTWARE, RIGHT? IT'S FLOCK SOFTWARE, YOU'RE LEASING IT, RIGHT? AND I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. THAT WORKS WELL WHEN WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS, CONTRACTS THAT ARE HONORED, TECHNOLOGY THAT ISN'T FLAWED AND HAS SECURITY HOLES. THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH FLOCK. UM, SOFTWARE HAS MASSIVE SECURITY HOLES THAT HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UH, UH, INCLUDING IN THE RECENT PAST. UM, BECAUSE OF THESE REPEATED EXAMPLES OF FAILURES OVER TIME. UH, MUNICIPALITIES EVERYWHERE ARE CANCELING CONTRACTS. YOU KNOW, I LOOKED IT UP. I WAS, I WAS LIKE, WELL, HOW MANY CANCELED, YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH AND THIS MONTH? LIKE, WE'RE NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS IN. IF YOU COUNT THAT, 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL IN SEPTEMBER. UM, AND I WAS LIKE, MAYBE 30, 40. IT'S OVER 150 IN THE LAST, SINCE AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, 150 IN DEEP RED ALABAMA. IN FLORIDA, THERE'S LIKE TWO DOZEN IDAHO, IOWA, KANSAS, KENTUCKY. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE, RIGHT? PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SURVEILLED. THEY CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE SURVEILLED IF THE, IF THE EQUIPMENT IS FLAWED, IF IT'S NOT SECURE. I UNDERSTAND THAT CAMERAS ARE GOOD FOR POLICING. THEY'RE VERY GOOD FOR POLICING. UM, WHEN YOU LAYER ON FAULTY TECHNOLOGY TO THE CAMERAS, IT BECOMES NOT GOOD FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR HOW THE SOFTWARE WORKS. BASIC SOFTWARE KNOWLEDGE, YOU DON'T CONTROL HOW IT WORKS, NUMBER ONE. [00:05:01] NUMBER TWO, EVERYBODY IS CANCELING THESE CONTRACTS, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HAPPENING IN DROVES. I THINK IT'S LIKE JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO THAT IT'S BEING PULLED UP TO, UH, FEDERAL ATTENTION BY BIPARTISAN GROUP, UH, UH, OF, OF REPRESENTATIVES, UM, TO, TO, TO LOOK AT FLOCK, TO PUT CEO AGAIN ON THE SPOT AND SAY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR TECHNOLOGY? SO, UM, LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE FUTURE HERE WITH, UH, FLOCK SAFETY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO INVITE NINA ZITO TO APPROACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMITTEE, CHIEF COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVE STAFF. UH, IT, IT'S SO NICE TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, COMMENT ON HOW THINGS ARE PREPARED AND PRESENTED. AND AS A REMINDER, UM, OUR INTEGRA AUDITOR, UH, IN THEIR PRESENTATION OF THEIR DATA, HA HAS YET TO, IN MY OPINION, UH, MAKE THE CHARTS AS ACCESSIBLE AS THEY MIGHT BE. AND MY SUGGESTION IS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA COME UP LATER AND WE'RE ALL GONNA LOOK AT THEM VERY CAREFULLY. THERE'S GOING TO BE LIKE THIS LONG SPREADSHEET WITH LITTLE TEENY TINY TYPE. SO MY SUGGESTION IS LIKE ONE PAGE FOR LIKE USE OF FORCE AND ONE PAGE FOR COMPLAINTS. AND, UH, ONE PAGE FOR, IS IT LIKE CHASES OR SOMETHING? THAT WAY WE CAN REALLY LOOK MEANINGFULLY. OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, LABORING. AND WE'RE NOT REALLY PROPERLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TRANSPARENCY THAT THIS, UH, REVIEW OF INFORMATION PER, UH, OFFERS. LIKEWISE, AND I THINK I'VE COMMENTED ON THIS BEFORE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A DATA STANDARD INVOLVES SPELLING OUT AN ACRONYM. AND, AND SO IN THE TRADITION I COME FROM LIKE THAT, THE ACA OR WHATEVER, JUST LOOKING FOR, UH, THROUGH OUR RECENT, UM, UH, ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA, IT'S LIKE, I, WHAT THE HECK IS THAT IN MY TRADITION? THAT STANDS FOR AREA UNDER THE CURVE ANTIBIOTIC, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WHAT IS IT? AND, UH, TRULY THAT ACRONYM NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT CLEARLY ON EVERY GRAPH. AND IT, IT, UM, FEELS LIKE SOMETHING OF A, OF AN OVERSIGHT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, I'M GOING TO CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I'D LIKE TO, LET'S SEE, LIKE, TO MOVE TO THE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF JULY 22ND, 2026. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? OKAY, THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED AS PRESENTED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, THAT'S PROBABLY FINE. I THINK A MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. UM, I THINK WE CAN MOVE [PRESENTATIONS] ON NOW TO PRESENTATIONS. UM, I THINK NOW WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE A PRESENTATION OF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, MONTHLY STATS CHART FROM THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR. UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE DENISE LEWIS AND JEFF SLINGER FROM INTEGRA TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION AND COMMENT ON THE MONTHLY STATS. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, APPRECIATE BEING HERE. UH, DENISE WILL BE DELIVERING THE, UH, STATS AND, UH, UH, TAKE THE COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE WILL TAKE THOSE UNDER ADVISEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE PRESENTATION. UM, NEXT MONTH. DENISE? YES. THANK YOU, JEFF. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. SO, AS A REMINDER, UM, THE STATS I'M ABOUT TO GO OVER ARE, UM, IN ARREARS. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M GONNA COVER JULY AND AUGUST BECAUSE THIS IS A SEPTEMBER MEETING. I WILL FIRST, I THINK I WILL GO THROUGH JULY AND THEN COVER AUGUST SO THAT IT'S PUT INTO CONTEXT. SO IN JULY, THERE WERE 10 INCIDENTS OF USE OF FORCE THAT WERE PENDING REVIEW. THERE WERE TWO NEW USES OF FORCE THAT OCCURRED IN JULY SIX THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, AND SIX THAT WERE REVIEWED BY US. [00:10:01] AND OUT OF THOSE REVIEWS, OUR REVIEWS, THERE WERE NO AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION, WHICH IS THE ACA ACRONYM. AND I TAKE THAT POINT AS WELL. WE WILL SPELL THAT OUT. WITH REGARD TO PURSUITS IN JULY, THERE WERE FOUR PENDING REVIEW, TWO NEW PURSUITS THAT OCCURRED IN JULY. TWO THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, AND FOUR THAT WERE REVIEWED BY US. AND THERE WERE NO AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION NEEDED. AND I'M GONNA STOP THERE FOR A MINUTE AND JUST CLARIFY THAT. AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION. UM, WHEN THOSE ARE NEEDED, IT'S BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HAD NOT CORRECTED SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED THAT WE ALL AGREED SHOULD HAVE BEEN. SO THEN, UM, WE COUNT THAT AS ONE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE WERE NOT THINGS THAT NEEDED ACTION BY THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THAT ACTION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE INCIDENT WAS PERFECT, BUT IT MEANS THE DEPARTMENT REVIEW AND SUPERVISORS DID THEIR JOB ONTO COMPLAINTS. IN JULY, THERE WERE 12 INCIDENTS PENDING REVIEW GOING INTO JULY. FOUR, NEW COMPLAINTS, FOUR REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, THREE REVIEWED BY THE IPA. AND THERE WAS ONE INCIDENT THAT NEEDED, UH, AN AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION THAT WE ALL AGREED NEEDED TO OCCUR. I'M GONNA COVER THAT NOW. INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE NOTES IN JULY, THAT INCIDENT HAD TO DO WITH A-A-D-U-I ARREST. AND AGAIN, IT WAS THE COMPLAINT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT INCIDENT. AND WE DISCUSSED SOME DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO THAT INCIDENT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SO THE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO DISCUSS THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH THE O OFFICER AND SUPERVISOR INVOLVED. I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO JULY, UH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME. AUGUST. SHOULD I PAUSE THERE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING JULY? OKAY. MOVING ON TO AUGUST. WITH REGARD TO USE OF FORCE, THERE WERE 17 IN THE QUEUE, B THAT NEEDED TO BE REVIEWED GOING INTO AUGUST. THERE WERE 13 NEW USES OF FORCE. THERE WERE FIVE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, FOUR REVIEWED BY THE IPA AND NO NECESSARY AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION. WITH REGARD TO PURSUITS. THERE WERE FOUR GOING INTO THE, THAT NEEDED REVIEW GOING INTO AUGUST. YEAH, I POSE, EXCUSE ME, I HEARD, I HEARD SOMETHING. I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS A QUESTION. UM, SO BACK TO PURSUITS. IN AUGUST, THERE WAS ONE NEW U UH, PURSUIT. THERE WERE NONE THAT NEED, THAT HAD BEEN REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, NOR BY US, AND THERE WERE NO ACAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE REVIEWED. IT WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY LOW MONTH FOR PURSUITS. WITH REGARD TO COMPLAINTS, THERE WERE 11 IN THE QUEUE NEEDING REVIEW. THERE WERE FOUR NEW COMPLAINTS IN AUGUST. FOUR, REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, FIVE REVIEWED BY THE IPA. AND AGAIN, WE HAD ONE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION THAT CAME OUT OF THE REVIEW OF THAT COMPLAINT IN AUGUST. UM, IT WAS VERY SIMILAR ACTUALLY TO THE OTHER ONE IN THAT IT WAS A COMPLAINT THAT CAME OUT OF, UM, THE ARREST OF A ROBBERY SUSPECT. AND AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THE SITUATION AND WE ALL AGREED THAT THE OFFICER AND SUPERVISOR, UM, COULD USE SOME MORE INFORMATION AS FAR AS DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THE WAY THEY HANDLED THAT. AND THAT IS OUR REPORT. IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA ADD? OKAY, UM, WE THANK YOU GUYS BOTH. WE WILL MOVE ON. UM, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] TO REVIEWING AND DISCUSSING THE ROLE OF PSAC AND ITS MEETINGS, UH, PURSUANT TO PETA MUNICIPAL CODE 2.50. AND WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE TRAINING ON AND DISCUSS THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF PEACE OFFICER PERSONNEL RECORDS. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY JORDAN GREEN TO PRESENT. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA WAIT ONE MINUTE SO THEY COULD PUT THE POWERPOINT UP. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PUB. THIS IS THE POWERPOINT FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY [00:15:01] ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD IN THE NEXT PAGE. AS YOU HEARD, WE ARE GONNA FIRST DISCUSS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S MEMBERS ROLES AS WELL AS RESPONSIBILITIES. WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW NEW MEMBERS THIS YEAR. AND WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND EVERYONE SAT UP HERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, NOW WHAT DO WE DO? AND ALSO SINCE THEN, AT THAT TIME, IT WAS A RESOLUTION. AND THEN WE HAVE CODIFIED IT AND MADE THIS PART OF THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE. SO WE WILL HAVE THIS COMMITTEE INDEFINITELY UNTIL IT'S HOPEFULLY NOT REPEALED. SO , WE WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME TO REALLY GO OVER WHAT IS YOUR ROLE AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK, ASK QUESTIONS, AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE. AND THEN WE WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF PEACE OFFICER PERSONNEL RECORDS AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE YOU'LL NOTICE WE'LL GIVE YOU INFORMATION, BUT SOMETIMES YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER ABOUT, WELL, WE WANNA SEE THE OFFICER, THE INVESTIGATION REPORT, OR WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS OFFICER? AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, WE'RE SORRY, BUT WE CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. SO RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO THAT EACH TIME, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO GIVE EVERYONE THE GENERAL LAY OF THE LAND AND THEN GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY ONCE AGAIN TO ASK QUESTIONS. NEXT ONE. SO WHAT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL'S INTENT IN CREATING THIS PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S REALLY TO BE A LIAISON BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S TO BE AN EXTRA RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO MAY NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING TO THE POLICE THEMSELVES AND ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT THEY MAY FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING TO A COMMUNITY MEMBER OR FRIEND OR SOMEONE THEY KNOW. AND THIS WAY YOU HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO OUR CITY'S POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND IT'S ALSO TO ALLOW YOU TO SHARE INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY WHERE PERHAPS THE GENERAL TRADITIONAL WAYS OF TRADITIONALS NOW DOING NICKELS OR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, BUT OTHER WAYS THAT AREN'T WORKING PERHAPS. AND IT'S ONE MORE WAY TO GET INFORMATION OUT THERE AND TO GET INFORMATION FROM YOU. SO WE COULD LEARN IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE MAY NOT OTHERWISE KNOW. IT'S ALSO TO SERVE AS A LIAISON TO OUR CITY COUNCIL. AS WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES. THERE ARE CERTAIN REPORTS THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO REVIEW AND TO PROVIDE US COMMENTS ON AND GET YOUR INPUT. AND THEN TO SERVE EACH YEAR, WE'LL ASK YOU TO PREPARE A REPORT TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE'LL GO INTO THE DETAILS THEN. SO IF WE WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO RULES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. COMMENTS ON THE IPA'S ANNUAL REPORT. SO THEY PREPARE AN ANNUAL REPORT AND BEFORE BRINGING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY'LL PROVIDE IT TO YOU AND DISCUSS IT BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE SOME INSIGHT OR SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK OF. AND WE'RE GONNA WANT THAT INPUT BEFORE WE, BEFORE THEY PRESENT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SIMILAR WITH THE AB 4 81. THAT'S A LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO BRING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. ITS USE OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT. AND WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL SO YOU COULD PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS AND ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION. SIMILAR TO DEPARTMENT POLICIES, AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED POLICIES IN THE PAST AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE MAY HAVE SOME THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING HERE AND ASK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE AND COMMENTS ON. AND YEAH, ASSIST IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW OF THE P POLICE DEPARTMENT, STRATEGIC POLICIES AND PLAN. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS CAME UP A LOT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO WE CLARIFY, WE CLARIFIED IT WHEN WE PUT THIS IN. THE MUNICIPAL CODE IS TO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WELL WAIT, WE'RE NOT ASKING OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO GO HOME AFTER THEY ALREADY WORK ALL DAY, DEDICATE THEIR TIME ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THEN WRITE A SIX PAGE REPORT. SO WE DECIDED TO CLARIFY THAT AND WANTED TO TALK THROUGH IT WITH YOU. BUT THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF GO OVER OF WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, WHAT YOU LIKED, WHAT YOU LEARNED, WHAT YOU DID OR DIDN'T DO. AND THEN THAT REPORT COULD TAKE ANY FORM. IT COULD STRICTLY BE THROUGH THE COUNCIL LIAISON AND SAY, HEY, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR COMMENT PERIOD, WOULD YOU SHARE THIS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL? OR YOU MAY WANNA GO TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND SAY, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR. AND SO IT COULD TAKE EITHER OF THOSE. YOU COULD ALWAYS SUBMIT A WRITING AND IT COULD GO TO COUNCIL. IT'S ONE REPORT ANNUALLY THAT'S PRODUCED BY THE COMMITTEE IN AND OF ITSELF. SO WE WANNA KIND OF GET THAT GOING NOW AND YOUR THOUGHTS. SO WHEN IT IS TIME, WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT. NEXT ONE, [00:20:02] DUTIES AND AUTHORITY. SO IT'S TO ASSIST IN EDUCATION IN EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE ABOUT PETALUMA CIVILIAN PUBLIC SAFETY OVERSIGHT AND THE FUNCTION AND ROLE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND AS YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO HEAR FROM OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR, EACH DE OR EACH MEETING, SO YOU HAVE MORE ACCESS TO OUR INDEPENDENT AUDITOR THAN OTHERS DO. SO YOU COULD ALSO TALK TO 'EM AND KNOW THEY HAVE THIS WHOLE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR SYSTEM. AND THEN TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE COMMUNITY'S NEED FOR POLICE SERVICES AND ENSURING THAT APPROPRIATE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES ARE DELIVERED FOR THE COMMUNITY'S BENEFIT. SO ONCE AGAIN, JUST BE A GOOD A RESOURCE. NEXT ONE. YOU ARE THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK WE'RE SEEING A THEME HERE. NEXT ONE. ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S BASICALLY PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODE 2.50, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT YOUR ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND WHAT WE INTEND THE CITY INTENDED. NOW WE WILL GO TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF PEACE OFFICER PERSONNEL FILES TO GO THERE. IT STARTS WITH THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS CALIFORNIA'S VERSION, I WON'T SAY BASED ON, BUT OUR OWN VERSION OF THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT THAT APPLIES TO FEDERAL RECORDS. IT IS CODIFIED IN GOVERNMENT CODE 79 20. SO IF YOU'RE EVER REALLY BORED AND YOU CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT, YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND PULL THIS UP AND READ IT. IT TALKS TO YOU ABOUT WHAT RECORDS ARE PUBLIC AND THEN WHICH ONES AREN'T. IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, THEY SAY GOVERNMENT RECORDS ARE PUBLIC, ACCEPT THESE. HOWEVER, WITH POLICE RECORDS, THEY SAY, POLICE RECORDS ARE EXEMPT, ACCEPT THIS INFORMATION. SO WE'LL GET, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE MORE, AND IT BALANCES THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC INTERESTS, INTEREST AND TRANSPARENCY WITH ALSO THE NEED FOR PRIVACY. NEXT ONE. UH, SO REALLY WHAT IS A PUBLIC RECORD? IT'S A WRITING RELATED TO THE CONDUCT OF THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS, PREPARED, OWNED, USED, OR RETAINED BY THE GOVERNMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE PHYSICAL FORMS. SO THAT MEANS IT COULD TAKE TEXT MESSAGE, EMAILS, OTHER CHAT SYSTEMS, DOESN'T MATTER. AND IT'S JUST A TOOL TO GATHER RECORDS. NEXT ONE. SO SOMEONE MAY SAY, I WANT THESE RECORDS. HOW DO I GET 'EM? ANYONE'S ALLOWED TO ASK FOR THEM. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL THE CITY WHY YOU WANT THEM. YOU'RE WELCOME TO, WE ALWAYS LIKE THAT, BUT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT. YOU CAN MAKE A REQUEST THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE COMMUNITY CAN, OR THROUGH OUR IT. SEE, IT'S THE TYPO THERE. IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S ACTUALLY THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. WHAT'S REALLY EASY IS IF YOU JUST GO TO, AND YOU CAN TELL EVERYONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU JUST GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THERE'S A WHOLE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT PAGE, AND YOU COULD SUBMIT IT THROUGH THEIR EASIEST WAY TO GET RECORDS. UH, TECHNICALLY COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN INSPECT RECORDS AT CITY FACILITIES, BUT UNLESS IT'S PLANNING DOCUMENTS OR BUILDING RECORDS, MOST EVERYTHING ELSE IS DIGITAL. AND WE WILL EMAIL IT. YEAH. NEXT ONE. UH, SO NOW WE TALK ABOUT HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS ARE DISTINCT FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS. MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS ARE EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE. THERE ARE SEVERAL EXEMPTIONS, SUCH AS VICTIMS OF SPECIFIC CRIMES, GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT SPECIFIC INTENT, AND IN SPECIFIC CASES INVOLVING A CRITICAL INCIDENT OR OFFICER MISCONDUCT. NEXT ONE. SO ONE OF THE STATUTES SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PUBLIC. WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DRIVING, YOU SEE THE POLICE DOING SOMETHING. SO YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? SO MOST CASES, IF SOMEONE'S ARRESTED AND SOMEONE CALLED IT IN, THEN THE NAME, AN OCCUPATION OF THE ARRESTEE, THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION, TIME AND DATE OF ARREST, LOCATION OF THE ARREST. AND THE GENERAL CIRCUMSTANCES WILL BE PUBLIC, INCLUDING THE AMOUNT OF BAIL AND WHERE THEY'RE BEING HELD. SO IT'S USUALLY LIKE THEY WERE BOOKED IN SONOMA COUNTY JAIL, OR THEY WERE CITED AND RELEASED AND IT SAYS CRIMINAL CHARGES, BUT IT'S USUALLY WHAT THEY WERE ARRESTED FOR, NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE SONOMA COUNTY DA CHARGES THEM WITH. NEXT ONE, RECORDS OF COMPLAINTS OR REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE. DAYTIME LOCATION OF OCCURRENCE. REPORT NAME OF THE, IT SAYS THE NAME AND AGE OF THE VICTIM, AND, BUT IT MAY BE WITHHELD NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, PROBABLY 9.99 TIMES WE'RE GONNA WITHHELD THE VICTIM'S NAME, RIGHT? A VICTIM OF A CRIME DOES NOT USUALLY WANT THEIR NAME ALL OVER THE MEDIA. SAME WITH WITNESSES. TYPICALLY THOSE WILL BE WITHHELD. AND THEN GENERAL DESCRIPTION [00:25:01] OF YOU, I'M SURE YOU'VE READ NICKEL'S WHERE IT'S LIKE, SO-AND-SO SUSTAINED MAJOR INJURIES, OR THERE'S A GUNSHOT ROUTE. NEXT ONE, PERSONNEL RECORDS ARE CONFIDENTIAL. SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL RECORDS. THOSE ARE RECORDS. WHEN SOMEONE, LET'S SAY THERE'S ALLEGATIONS THAT POLICE OFFICER, A COMMITTED MISCONDUCT, LIKE LET'S SAY THEY LIED IN THEIR POLICE REPORT ABOUT WHAT THE SUSPECT SAID, SO THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD CONDUCT A IN PERSONNEL INVESTIGATION AND THAT REPORT WOULD GO INSIDE OF THEIR PERSONNEL FILE. SO THOSE REC THOSE REPORTS, ANY ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT, THAT'S GONNA BE CONFIDENTIAL UNLESS ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES APPLY, SUCH AS AN INCIDENT INVOLVING THE DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AT A PERSON BY A PEACE OFFICER AND INCIDENT INVOLVING THE USE OF FORCE AGAINST A PERSON BY A PEACE OFFICER THAT RESULTED IN DEATH OR GREAT BODILY INJURY. NOW, IF SOMEONE MAY SAY, WELL, WHAT IS GREAT BODILY INJURY? AND THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION THAT THE COURTS HAVE BEEN DECIDING SINCE THIS STATUTE WAS WRITTEN. IT IS STILL VAGUE, AND IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY A GREAT BODILY INJURY OR A SUSTAINED FINDING INVOLVING A COMPLAINT THAT ALLEGES UNREASONABLE OR EXCESSIVE FORCE. AND ONCE AGAIN, SUSTAINED FINDINGS. SO IT'S NOT JUST AN ALLEGATION, BUT ACTUALLY A FINDING SAYING YES BY IT IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT THIS OFFICER COMMITTED AND REASONABLE OR EXCESSIVE FORCE AS WELL AS A SUSTAINED FINDING THAT AN OFFICER FAILED TO INTERVENE AGAINST ANOTHER OFFICER USING FORCE THAT IS CLEARLY UNREASONABLE OR EXCESSIVE. NEXT ONE. UH, ANY RECORD RELATING TO AN INCIDENT IN WHICH A SUSTAINED FINDING WAS MADE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT THE PEACE OFFICER ENGAGED, ENGAGED IN SEXUAL ASSAULT INVOLVING A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? SO ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE RECORDS THAT WILL BE PUBLIC WHEN TYPICALLY THEY WOULD NOT BE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. IS ANY PERSON NOT EMPLOYED BY THE OFFICER'S EMPLOYING AGENCY AND INCLUDES ANY PARTICIPANT, CADET EXPLORER OR SOME OTHER YOUTH PROGRAM, RIGHT? AS WELL AS A RECORD RELATING TO A SUSTAINED FINDING INVOLVING DISHONESTY THROUGH RU JUST GO AND BY A PEACE OFFICER. BUT IT'S NOT JUST ANY DISHONESTY. IT'S NOT LIKE I CAME, I WAS LATE BECAUSE MY CAT DID SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. UM, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE RELATED TO THE REPORTING INVESTIGATION OR PROSECUTION OF A CRIME. AND NEXT ONE. AND THEN RECORDS RELATING TO A SUSTAINED FINDING THAT A PEACE OFFICER MADE AN UNLAWFUL ARREST OR CONDUCTED AN UNLAWFUL SEARCH. SO ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE RECORDS THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC INFORMATION, WHEREAS ALMOST ALL OTHERS ARE JUST GONNA BE EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE. NEXT ONE. NOW WE'LL GET INTO CRITICAL INCIDENTS. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW WHAT A CRITICAL INCIDENT IS. SOME MAY HAVE AN IDEA. ONCE AGAIN, IT'S IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE. SO IF ANYONE'S BORING, YOU'RE WELCOME TO READ IT. AND IF NOT, IT'S AN INCIDENT INVOLVING THE DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AT A PERSON BY A PEACE OFFICER OR CUSTODIAL OFFICER, OR AN INCIDENT IN WHICH THE USE OF FORCE BY A PEACE OFFICER OR A CUSTODIAL OFFICER AGAINST A PERSON RESULTED IN DEATH OR GREAT BODILY INJURY. NOW, THIS IS WHERE IT'S ANOTHER CASE BY CASE BASIS. AS SOON AS THERE'S AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, EVERYONE'S LIKE, WE WANNA SEE THE OFFICER'S BODY-WORN CAMERA RECORDINGS. AND SOMETIMES PUBLIC AGENCIES WILL MAKE THOSE PUBLIC RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND OTHER TIMES THEY WILL NOT. AND THE STATUTE, IT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC. I HAVE IT HERE IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S MAKE IT PUBLIC UNLESS THERE'S A CRIMINAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION AND YOU KIND OF KEEP GOING EVERY 45 TO 60 DAYS REEVALUATING WHETHER THOSE RECORDS SHOULD BE PUBLIC. SO THAT WILL BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS TO WHEN THE OFFICER'S BODY-WORN CAMERA RECORDINGS WOULD BE RELEASED FOR THE PUBLIC. NEXT ONE. NOW, WHAT IF YOU OR ANY OF YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS REALLY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND YOU WANNA KNOW THAT'S WHY YOU ARE HERE. YOU'RE A LIAISON WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY'LL ANSWER IT. THEY COULD BRING IN ME OR ANYONE ELSE IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE ARE HERE TO HELP AND ADVICE. SO IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, PLEASE GO AHEAD. [00:30:01] JUST AS IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS, UH, ACT. AND SOMEONE SAY, SOMEONE COMES UP TO ME AND THEY WANT TO GET A MAKE A PUBLIC RECORD ACT TO THE CITY OF PENMONT. YEAH. IS THERE A FEE? GOOD QUESTION. ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THERE USED TO BE A FEE FOR COPYING RECORDS, BUT OUR COURT OF APPEALS SAID, NOPE. SORRY, CITY, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS. YOU HAVE TO JUST BASICALLY EAT IT AND MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYONE. IT'S NOT SUCH A THING NOW WHERE WE'RE NOT COPYING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PAGES BECAUSE MOST EVERYTHING IS DIGITAL AND WE COULD STILL HAVE PEOPLE COME INTO THE CITY TO INSPECT THEM. SO THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. NO, THERE IS NO MORE FEES. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SEMI RELATED TO THIS. WHAT IS THE POLICY FOR IF MEDIA REACHES OUT AND REQUESTS US TO GO ON RECORD FOR INFORMATION OR FOR A TOPIC THAT WE MAY BE COVERING? THE RECORDS, UM, WASN'T ONE OF THEM, BUT WE ACTUALLY, SEVERAL OF US DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM LOCAL MEDIA REQUESTING COMMENT. SO THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. AND YES, WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY. WE DO HAVE GENERAL ADVICE, WHICH I HAD SENT TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND I COULD PULL IT UP IF WE NEED TO, NOT COUNCIL MEMBERS, SORRY, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. BUT IN GENERAL, YOU AS AN INDEPENDENT PERSON ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO REPRESENT THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE BROWN ACT CONCERNS WHERE THERE'S THIS THING CALLED A SERIAL COMMITTEE, SERIAL MEETING WHERE LET'S SAY COMMITTEE MEMBER NELSON TELLS THE, UH, JOURNALIST, OH YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA VOTE THIS WAY ON THIS TOPIC. AND THEN THAT JOURNALIST THEN GOES, TELLS COMMITTEE MEMBER MA MACIAS. AND THEN SHE SAYS, REALLY, SHE'S GONNA DO THAT. WELL, I'M GONNA DO THAT TOO. AND THEN THEY DO THIS TO EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER OR EVEN JUST A QUORUM. SO FOUR OF YOU. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A SERIAL MEETING, WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT BECAUSE ALL OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TOPICS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE IN PUBLIC, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSPARENT. AND WE NOTICE IT PURSUANT TO THE CALIFORNIA BROWN ACT SO THAT OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COULD ALSO GIVE THEIR INPUT. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS, AND WE ALSO WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO GIVE AN OPINION OR WE WOULD WANT TO HELP YOU THINK BEFORE GIVING AN OPINION TO THE MEDIA. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS, AND USUALLY UNINTENTIONAL, BUT YOU MAY GIVE AN OPINION TO THE MEDIA, AND THEN YOU COME HERE FOR A TOPIC AND YOU LEARN ALL ABOUT IT. AND NOW YOU HAVE THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE POLICE ALL THESE QUESTIONS, AND YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. AND YOU WANNA CHANGE YOUR MIND, WHICH YOU ARE FREE TO DO. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE MEDIA SAYING, WELL, YOU SAID THIS HERE AND NOW YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR MIND. WHY DID YOU DO THAT? AND YOU MAY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE PUT ON THE SPOT UNINTENTIONALLY. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE FACTORS WE WOULD WANT YOU TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA SPEAK TO A MEDIA, THE MEDIA ABOUT A TOPIC THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I DO JUST WANNA SAY NO, I DIDN'T RESPOND TO THE EMAIL , UM, BECAUSE I SAW IT WELL AFTER THE FACT, BUT I'M PR TRAINED IN MY DAY JOB. AND, UM, IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TODAY WAS THAT ONE POSSIBILITY IS TO JUST REDIRECT THEM TO COME TO THE HERE, TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AS OPPOSED TO THAT'S A OPPOSED TO GIVING COMMENT. THAT'S LIKE, THE BETTER THAN THEY CAN GET THE WHOLE PICTURE. AND THEN THEY CAN ASK A QUESTION IF THEY HAVE IT, AND EXACTLY THEY COULD GIVE IT AND THE WHOLE COMMITTEE COULD TALK AS A WHOLE AND SHARE IDEAS. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, SO I DID TALK AND, UH, THE ARTICLE CAME OUT. I DON'T, I THINK I, I DID RECEIVE THE, THE EMAIL YOU SENT, HOWEVER, IT DIDN'T GO TO THE NEW MEMBERS. SO WE'LL JUST FORWARD THAT AND THANK YOU. AND YEAH, IF YOU COULD LET ME FORWARD THAT JUST TO AVOID AMY. OF COURSE, OF COURSE. THANK AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I JUST, I WENT BACK BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WAIT, I GOT THAT. SO YEAH, IT WAS, THANK YOU. NOT THE NEW MEMBERS. YEAH. BUT, UM, UH, THE PERSON WAS, WAS PLANNING ON WRITING THIS ARTICLE, AND THAT'S WHY THE, THE REACH OUT. AND I IMMEDIATELY SAID, NO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY. AND SHE DID RETRACT IT. SO I THINK IT WAS OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT YOU GAVE A STATEMENT AND YOU'RE QUOTED AND ALL THAT STUFF. . THANK YOU. YES, I WOULD, UH, JUST, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO MEDIA INQUIRIES LIKE THIS, UM, I WOULD REFER THEM TO THE, TO THE INVESTIGATING AGENCY. YOU KNOW, I'M SURE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. I'M SURE THERE'S A, UH, UH, A, A PROCEDURE FOR THIS MEDIA PERSON TO GET THE INFORMATION THEY NEED RATHER THAN, UM, 'CAUSE THEIR INFORMATION SYNCING IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, RIGHT? THEY'RE, UH, JUST TRYING [00:35:01] TO, WELL, THIS PERSON SAID THIS AND THIS PERSON SAID THAT, AND THEN THEY PUT IT INTO THEIR ARTICLE. SO, UH, FOR ANY TYPE OF INCIDENT WHERE THERE'S MEDIA ATTENTION, THERE'S MEDIA INQUIRIES, I REFER 'EM TO THE PETLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADD OR HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, JORDAN. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PRESENTATION ITEM. UM, IF ANYONE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY. UM, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE HAVE NOT, NOT FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, THREATS OF VIOLENCE OR OBSCENITY OR GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING, A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. PLEASE TALK SLOWLY AND CLEARLY AS THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE AGAIN. I AM, UM, CURIOUS, UH, THAT THIS SEATED COMMITTEE IS BEING ENCOURAGED TO BE A RESOURCE WHILE A FAIRLY BASIC PRESENTATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, IS BEING OFFERED BY OUR COUNSEL. UM, IT, IT, UH, FEELS TO ME LIKE A LAYER HAS BEEN IMPOSED ON THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW. AND IT FEELS FRUSTRATING AND CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR SOME YEARS, I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED, UM, THE ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, CHIEF, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO ME? AND HE IS EXTRAORDINARILY GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN ME A SENSE OF WHAT THE LAW IS AND WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS. SO, I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WHEN WE'RE BEING DIRECTED, AND I SO APPRECIATE THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HERE PROVIDING OVERSIGHT AND ASKING IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. BUT I'M, I, I STILL REMAIN A BIT CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE OFFICIAL ROLE IS HERE AND, UH, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING A NOT INCONSIDERABLE AMOUNT TO OUR INTEGRA SHARE PARTNERS. I'M, I'M JUST, UH, FEELING CONFUSED. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY REMARKS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I'M GOING TO CLOSE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UM, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE LONG RANGE CALENDAR. DO YOU WANNA PUT THE LONG RANGE? OKAY. SO, UH, THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR HAS SOME CHANGES, AND THEN AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMITTEE, WE'VE FORECASTED INTO THE 2027 YEAR, UH, AT LEAST FOR THE DATES AND SOME OF THE, UM, ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ON THOSE DATES IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE PREPARED AND DISCUSSED PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, THE FIRST CHANGE, UH, TO THE AGENDA IS ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2026, UH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT MEETING, NEXT MONTH. UM, INITIALLY IT WAS, WE DISCUSSED THE PARKING WORKSHOP, UH, WHICH WAS PLANNED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, OR WAS BEING DISCUSSED AS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL. THAT ITEM HAS NOW BEEN DELAYED. UH, SO WE ARE GONNA PUSH THAT ITEM, UH, POTENTIALLY TO JANUARY 27TH. SO THE FIRST MEETING OF NEXT YEAR. UM, SO THE OCTOBER MEETING, UH, AFTER DISCUSSING WITH STAFF, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, UH, APPROPRIATE TO BRING, UH, PRESENTATION ON EMERGENCY OPERATIONS WITH OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES MANAGER, TOM JORDAN. UM, FOR A FEW REASONS. ONE, AS WE'RE ENTERING WHAT IS, UM, BEING GLORIFIED IN THE MEDIA AS A, UM, MAJOR EL NINO, UM, WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING AND NATIONAL, UH, AND INCIDENTS IN CITY OF PETALUMA. SO HAVING TOM JORDAN COME AND MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY'S ROLE, UM, OUR EVACUATION ZONES, OUR ALERT AND WARNING SYSTEMS, AND KIND OF AN OVERVIEW, UH, OF THE CITY'S [00:40:01] PREPAREDNESS FOR THOSE EVENTS AS WE ENTER TO THE, UH, WHEN EL NINO IS SUPPOSED TO START. UH, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ASK QUESTIONS, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY HELP US GUIDE SOME OF OUR RESPONSES. UH, THEN WHEN YOU LOOK INTO 2027, UM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO STRUCTURE THE CALENDAR, UH, SO THAT IT, IT IS ALMOST EVERY OTHER MONTH, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, YOU SEE SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER ARE LUMPED TOGETHER. THAT'S BECAUSE WE TAKE THE, THE, THE TWO MONTHS FALL ON CITY HOLIDAYS. UM, THE MEETINGS THAT NEED TO, UH, REMAIN IN PLACE ARE ALREADY WRITTEN. IT'S THE MARCH 24TH MEETING, UH, MAY 26TH MEETING, AND THEN THE JULY 28TH MEETING. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE IMPORTANT REPORTS THAT WE DO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH ARE PREPARED FOR CITY COUNCIL. AND AS, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY GREEN DISCUSSED, THEY, THEY ARE, UM, PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FIRST FOR INPUT AND DISCUSSION, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE REPORTS ARE COMPREHENSIVE PRIOR TO GOING TO COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING THAT, UH, ANY CONCERNS ON THIS TENTATIVE CALENDAR? UM, CAN I, UH, ADD WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN? , GO AHEAD, ELLEN. OKAY. SO, UM, AS THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS TODAY, AGAIN, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST IN THE NEWS, ALL THE STUFF ABOUT FLOCK CAMERAS. AND I KNOW THE POLICE HAVE DONE MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT FLOCK, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. AND AS THE CHIEF HAS REITERATED, WE HAVE ONLY FOUR CAMERAS, AND THEY'VE PROVEN USEFUL IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. I MEAN, IN MOST RECENTLY FINDING A MISSING AT-RISK PER PERSON. BUT AT THE FEBRUARY, 2026 MEETING, THIS COMMITTEE VOTED FOR TWO TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY EVALUATE ETER ALTERNATIVES TO FLOCK CAMERAS BEFORE FUNDING THE CAMERAS FOR ANOTHER YEAR. AND, UM, AS ERIC HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT IN WRITING, AND HERE THERE'S EVEN MORE REASONS NOW THAN THERE WERE IN FEBRUARY TO HAVE US RECONSIDER THIS, UM, INCLUDING THAT, NOT BESIDES THE PLACES THAT ERIC TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE THE, THE CONTRACT CANCELLATIONS. UM, NOW, UH, STANFORD UNIVERSITY HAS ALSO CANCELED ITS CONTRACT, AND THEY OPTED TO CHANGE TO A VENDOR THAT STORES THE DATA IN-HOUSE. AND, UH, THAT PERHAPS IS, IS A, A WAY TO KEEP DATA SAFE AND PROTECT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES. UM, ALSO RECENTLY, THE STATE OF TEXAS HALTED STATE FUNDING FOR THE CAMERAS, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REVOKED PERMITS FOR CAMERAS ON ALL STATE ROADS. HEY, ELLEN, I'M WONDERING, I'M WONDERING, ARE YOU TRYING TO, IS THIS LEADING INTO, YOU WANNA ADD IT BACK TO THE CALENDAR? YES. OKAY. AND, BUT I, YEAH, I'M PROMISE I'M, I'M GONNA GET THERE IN JUST ONE SEC. PROMISE. UM, I'M RIGHT. I'M ON. IT IS ON POINT. UM, BUT, UH, SO, UM, SORRY. SO IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE LIKE, IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME WHERE SOMETHING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE. IT WILL BE GREAT IF PETALUMA IS LEADING ON THIS ISSUE RATHER THAN LEFT WITH WHAT DO WE DO? UM, THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED FOR ANOTHER YEAR UNTIL AUGUST 20, 27, AND THE CITY COUNCIL INCLUDED THE 12,000 OPERATING COSTS FOR ANOTHER YEAR IN ITS JUNE BUDGET. SO, I, I, THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON TO LIKE RUSH THIS, BUT SEEING THAT THERE'S, THAT, THAT THERE, IT'S GONNA COME UP FOR BUDGETING AGAIN NEXT JUNE. AND, UM, TO GIVE CITY COUNCIL ENOUGH TIME TO DO SOMETHING IF THE COMMUNITY COMES BACK. AND IF THIS COMMITTEE DOES RECOMMEND THAT WE CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES THAT MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT ON THE JANUARY AGENDA TO, UM, DISCUSS MAYBE A RECONSIDERATION OF THE VOTE AGAINST FLOCK COMPLETELY, OR TO LOOK AT, UM, UH, ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING THE GENENTECH AUTO VIEW CLOUD RUNNER, WHICH IS WHAT STANFORD IS USING. AND APPARENTLY, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO AI COSTS, THE SAME AS FLOCK AND IS NOT A, A NATIONAL DATABASE. UM, THAT'S AI, CORRECT. I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPER AI CHARGED, UM, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER, OH, AND WE ALSO, UM, BOTH ERIC AND ALSO JIM DUFFY SUGGESTED THAT WE CONSIDER MAYBE A TECHNOLOGY ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF A BIG ISSUE. BUT TO MAYBE BRING THIS UP FOR JANUARY. NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T AGENDIZE FLAW CAMERA. SORRY. DO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE WE STAY IN THE TENTATIVE CAMERA WITHOUT YEAH. OH YEAH. JUST, YEAH, RIGHT. . [00:45:01] OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ELLEN'S TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD IT ONTO THE JANUARY CALENDAR. YES, I AM. I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE SOME INPUT. A FLOCK CAMERA IS ACTUALLY AN A, I'LL GET IT RIGHT. A LPR, WHICH IS AUTOMATIC AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL 20 YEARS AGO FOR PARKING. SO IT GOES ALONG WITH OUR JANUARY, THERE YOU GO. UM, PARKING WORKSHOP, JUST IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED, AND MAYBE WE CAN, UM, REVIEW THAT AS HOW PUM CAME INTO BEING, UM, WHERE WE WERE USING THE APRS TECHNOLOGY FOR LICENSE PLATE READING SO THAT WE WERE, UM, DOING TRAFFIC OR A PARKING ENFORCEMENT DOWNTOWN. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A PENDING MOTION THAT MAYBE WOULD REQUIRE A SECOND. IT DOES. DOES ANYONE WANNA SECOND THAT? SO I'M GONNA, SORRY ABOUT THAT. ACTING CHAIRMAN. MACIAS, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT REALLY QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ANNOTATED AGENDA, BUT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT REALLY QUICK FOR THIS ITEM, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE HAVE SOME PRIOR COMMENTS ONLINE TO WERE POSTED. AND THEN WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD. SO BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF WE CAN, YES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON, ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR. IS THAT WHAT YOU, OKAY. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARTS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY ARE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING. A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. PLEASE, PLEASE SPEAK SLOWLY AND CLEARLY AS THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. UM, WE NOW INVITE UP ERIC LELAND. THANK YOU. UM, FIRST, I APPRECIATE THAT THE, UM, OCTOBER, UH, TENTATIVE AGENDA, LONG RANGE CALENDAR HAS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS. I THINK THERE'S ALL THE REASONS HE SAID IT'S A GREAT TIME TO DO THAT, SO, AWESOME. UM, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, JUST UNDERSCORE WHAT, UH, UH, EL ELLEN OSLER HAS SAID. UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THIS, UH, FLOCK BACK. I LOVE THE IDEA, KAREN, NOW OF THE, UM, THE IDEA OF GOING BACK THROUGH THE HISTORY. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT REALLY TOUCHES ON THIS TECHNOLOGY POINT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THESE CAMERAS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER FOR 20 YEARS, AND THE WAY THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED SO DRAMATICALLY RECENTLY, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT, HOW THAT WORKS, AND THEN THAT WE HAVE SOME CHOICES TO MAKE. AND THEY'RE PRETTY IMPORTANT CHOICES, AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE 150 PLUS, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPALITIES RECENTLY, UM, THAT HAVE TERMINATED THEIR CONTRACTS. SO I LOVE THAT IDEA. UM, I WOULD URGE YOU ALL TO, UM, TAKE THE MOTION, SECOND IT AND APPROVE IT FOR THE CALENDAR IN JANUARY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A, A MOTION, AM I CORRECT IN THAT CHIEF MILLER ? NO, YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT. I JUST WANNA REMIND THE COMMITTEE, UH, TO OUR LAST MEETING, UH, THAT WE HAD A VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION, UM, ON POINT WITH THIS. AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT THAT MAYBE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION. UH, THIS COMMITTEE'S HAD THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE TOPIC OF APRS. UM, THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORICAL CONVERSATION SPECIFICALLY ON THE A LPR DISCUSSION. THERE IS A CURRENTLY PUBLISHED, UM, POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT DETAILS AND DISPLAYS, UM, UM, THE, UH, ADOPTION OF OUR PARKING, UM, A LPR PROGRAM AND THE PROGRESSION INTO OUR MOBILE, UM, WHAT WE WERE, UM, CALLING A HYBRID A LPR PLATFORM AND ITS EVOLUTION INTO, UM, THE FIXED APRS. UM, I BELIEVE THAT PRESENTATION MAY HAVE BEEN OCTOBER OF 2025, WHICH WAS THE MONTH IN WHICH OUR FLOC APRS WERE FIRST INSTALLED. UM, AND REALLY PROGRESSED INTO THIS DIALOGUE AND, UH, CONTINUED [00:50:01] CONVERSATION. UM, THAT CONVERSATION ALSO INCLUDED A PRESENTATION ON DRONES, AND WE'VE HAD SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS. UM, SO IN TOTAL THERE WERE THREES. WE'VE COVERED POLICY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEM AND APPLICATIONS AND USES. UM, AND THERE'S BEEN CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS. SO IF THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, THE PROGRAM IN ITSELF AND THE TYPES OF USES, UH, THAT IS RADICALLY ACCESSIBLE IN THE HISTORY. AND SO, UM, THAT'S ACCESSIBLE CURRENTLY, UM, THROUGH THE GRANITE KISS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, UM, RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHIEF MILLER. UM, OKAY, WITH THAT IN MIND, THERE SEEMS TO BE A MOTION THAT ELLEN HAS MADE. DOES ANYONE SECOND THAT MOTION? OKAY. UM, AT THIS TIME, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR AS, AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WITHOUT ANY CHANGES. IS THAT UNDERSTANDING RIGHT? OKAY. I WILL TAKE THAT SILENCE AS A YES. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? OR IF IT'S UNCHANGED, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. OKAY, GREAT. SORRY, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO [COMMITTEE COMMENT] MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH COMMITTEE COMMENT. UM, IF ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS OR PROVIDE A REPORT OUT ON ANY EVENTS ATTENDED, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME I'D LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENT THAT I WROTE DOWN. SO FORGIVE ME WHILE I READ THIS. UM, AND IT WILL PROBABLY MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE WHY I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, SECONDING OR SORT OF BEING PART OF THE LONG RANGE, UM, CALENDAR. I WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT EFFECTIVE AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, I'LL BE STEPPING DOWN AS CHAIR AS A ME AND AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WHEN I FIRST JOINED PSAC, I SAW IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CARRY FORWARD THE WORK I HAD BEGUN ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND CONTINUE SERVING MY COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT FELT MEANINGFUL AND APPROPRIATE FOR ME. THE SAFETY OF EVERY MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS MATTERED DEEPLY TO ME, AND I HAVE BEEN GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WORK ALONGSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR CITY STAFF, AND MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE VALUED MOST DURING MY TIME ON PS PSAC HAS BEEN THE WILLINGNESS OF PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT ROLES AND PERSPECTIVES TO LISTEN, CHALLENGE ASSUMPTIONS, AND KEEP WORKING TOGETHER TOWARDS BETTER OUTCOME. I'M ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE TRUST THE COMMITTEE PLACED IN ME AS CHAIR AND FOR THE SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE I'VE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT MY TIME IN THIS ROLE. I'M PROUD OF THE WORK WE HAVE DONE TOGETHER, AND ALTHOUGH I WILL NO LONGER BE SERVING ON THE COMMITTEE, I WILL CONTINUE TO, I WILL CONTINUE ROOTING FOR PSAC AND FOR THE COLLABORATIVE WORK BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE PETALUMA. IT HAS BEEN A PRIVILEGE. THANKS. THANKS AGAIN. I, UH, WOULD BE REMISS IN NOT TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMEND YOU CHAIR MILLER. UH, YOU WERE ONE OF THE INAUGURAL MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, UH, WE'RE MAYBE A FEW MINUTES LATE THIS EVENING, UM, YOU AS THE INAUGURAL CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TEDIOUS CONVERSATION OVER WHO WOULD FILL YOUR SHOES THIS EVENING. AND SO, UM, WE HIGHLY RESPECT YOU. WE'VE APPRECIATED YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND, UH, THESE ARE DEFINITELY, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE TO FILL, FILL YOUR SEAT BEHIND YOU. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE COMMITTEE, AND, UH, APPRECIATIVE FOR YOU STEPPING UP AND BEING THE FIRST TO SERVE. SO, THANK YOU, SIR. I WILL ECHO THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S BEEN, AS YOU STATED, YOU KNOW, WE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE, DIFFERENT OPINIONS, AND, UM, THERE'S SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF RESPECT SITTING UP HERE AND, AND DISCUSSING THINGS AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND I REALLY VALUE THAT. AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS TOGETHER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. SAME WITH ELLEN. AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY MONTH, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY MISS YOU, HOPEFULLY ON TOPICS THAT INTEREST YOU. YOU COME AND WATCH US. UM, AND I'LL TRY TO DO THE SAME ONE DAY WHEN I'M ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE, ANY OTHER, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS LIKE TO SPEAK ON, ON ANYTHING TODAY. I JUST, I DON'T WANNA BE THE GUY WHO'S HOLDING UP EVERYBODY FROM GOING HOME, BUT, UM, JUST WITH THE, THE, UH, BIG AGENDA, ARE WE GOING STRAIGHT DOWN IT OR, UM, YES. I'M, I'M KIND OF FOLLOWING [00:55:01] A FORMULA. SO IT'S GONNA BE COMMITTEE COMMENT AND THEN STAFF COMMENT, AND THEN WE WERE GONNA ADJOURN. NO, THE, UH, THE LONG TERM CALENDAR. OH, GOING BACK TO THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, THE ITEMS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, ARE WE GOING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM OR I'LL TAKE THE, I'LL TAKE THIS ONE USUALLY. SO YOU'LL SEE SORT OF THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR TOP AND SORT OF THE STUFF THAT WE SORT OF AGREED ON. OKAY. THESE MONTHS, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. AND EVERYTHING AT THE BOTTOM IS, IS THINK OF IT AS LIKE A BUCKET OF THINGS THAT TOPICS YES. THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THIS ITEM FOR, UM, REVIEWING OUR LONG RANGE CALENDAR IS IT'S OUR OPPORTUNITY LIKE ELLEN WAS DOING TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S A TOPIC THAT I'D LIKE TO GET ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR AND WE CAN DISCUSS AS A COMMITTEE. YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS TOPIC AND LET'S PUT IT HERE. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS TOPIC. LET'S PUT IT THERE. CITY STAFF AND THE POLICE CAN BE INVOLVED AND SAY, HEY, HERE ARE THINGS WE'RE DOING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I THINK EVERYTHING YOU SAW BELOW THAT LINE ARE JUST ITEMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT WE SORT OF, OH, I SEE. THAT WE'VE SORT OF IDENTIFIED AS THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT THERE'S NO PARTICULAR ORDER TO IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY, GREAT. I THINK I WILL CLOSE, UH, COMMITTEE COMMENT AND OPEN, [STAFF COMMENT] UM, STAFF COMMENT, UM, IF CHIEF MILLER OR STAFF HAS ANY COMMENTS. I DO. UM, SO, UH, IF YOU RECALL AS, UH, WE CONCLUDED THE LAST MEETING, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST OF ME TO RETURN TO THIS MEETING FOR STAFF COMMENT WITH A SPECIFIC REQUEST. AND SO I'M FULFILLING THAT REQUEST, UM, AND TO PROVIDE THE REPORT OUT A, UM, COMMENT SPECIFIC TO OUR FLOCK, A LPR PROGRAM AS YOU ASKED ME TO DO. AND SO FOLLOWING THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WAS MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE VENDORS AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID COMPLETE AN EVALUATION OF ALTERNATIVE A LPR VENDORS. UM, THAT REVIEW DID NOT IDENTIFY AN ALTERNATIVE THAT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT ADVANTAGES TO JUSTIFY TRANSITIONING TO FROM OUR EXISTING SYSTEM AT THAT TIME OF EVALUATION. UH, BUT SINCE THEN WE'VE CONTINUED TO EVALUATE, WE'VE LISTENED TO THIS COMMITTEE AND WE'VE MADE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO OUR EXISTING A LPR PROGRAM. UM, IT'S, UM, ITSELF IN RESPONSE TO SPECIFIC FEEDBACK FROM THIS COMMITTEE, THE COMMUNITY AND CHANGES IN LAW AND CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING AND LISTENING AND MONITORING, UM, FROM THE NATIONAL DISCUSSION. UM, WE CONTINUE TO PROHIBIT SEARCHES, UM, AND PROHIBIT, UM, ANYTHING INVOLVING IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. UM, WE'VE INSURED AND DOUBLE CHECKED AND TRIPLE CHECKED THAT FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE PROHIBITED FROM ACCESSING OUR SYSTEM, INCLUDING OUT OF STATE AGENCIES AS WELL, ARE ALSO RESTRICTED. UH, AND WE'VE REDUCED MORE RECENTLY, UM, OUR MODEL FOR TO, FROM A REGIONAL SHARING DATA SHARING, UM, TO CALIFORNIA AGENCIES, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CAL OES MUTUAL AID REGIONS TO THREE AND FOUR, WHICH ESSENTIALLY LIMITS OUR ROUTINE SHARING TO NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, THE BAY AREA, AND THE NORTH COAST AND SACRAMENTO NORTHERN INTERIOR REGIONS. AND IF YOU KIND OF IMAGINE LIKE MONTEREY AREA NORTH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHARING OUR INFORMATION WITH AS OPPOSED TO THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UM, AND, UH, THAT'S MUCH MORE OF A REGIONAL AREA. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SOME OF THIS INFORMATION ALSO BEING SHARED OUT FROM SOME OF THE ACCOUNT, UH, SONOMA COUNTY POLICE CHIEFS. THIS WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT THAT WE COLLECTIVELY MET ON AND, AND HAVE COLLECTIVELY AGREED TO DO. AND AS A POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, AS SONOMA COUNTY POLICE CHIEFS DON'T KNOW IF OTHER POLICE CHIEFS ELSEWHERE ARE DOING THIS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE AGREED ON THAT WE FEEL IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO REGIONALLY. UH, WE'VE ALSO STRENGTHENED OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS AND AUDITING AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAKING IT MANDATORY THAT EVERY A OPR SEARCH NOW REQUIRES BOTH A CASE NUMBER AND OFFENSE TO BE PROVIDED FOR EVERY SEARCH. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE FIELD, UH, SUPPLEMENTING OUR EXISTING MONTHLY AUDITS. WE'VE ENABLED AUTOMATED AUDITING FLAGGING THAT IDENTIFIES CERTAIN SEARCHES FOR MANDATORY INDIVIDUAL REVIEW BY A DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATOR WITH WITHIN OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION. WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THOSE. WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY IRREGULARITIES OR ANYTHING CONCERNING. SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING NATIONALLY ABOUT INAPPROPRIATE SEARCHES OR MISCONDUCT, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY INSTANCES OF THOSE. IF WE WERE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU CAN HAVE MY ASSURANCES, WE'LL BE ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS AND WE'D HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. AND THAT'D BE A DISCIPLINARY ACTION OR POTENTIALLY A CRIMINAL VIOLATION. [01:00:01] SO, UM, WE WOULD TAKE THE NECESSARY STEPS ACCORDINGLY. UM, WE'VE COMPLETED DEPARTMENT-WIDE TRAINING REGARDING A LPR SEARCH USE AND UPDATED SEARCH REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO CASE NUMBER REQUIREMENTS, ENSURING ALL OF OUR STAFF KNOW AND ARE TRAINED TO KNOW, KNOW THE PROPER USES AND REQUIREMENTS. . UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SPECIFICALLY MS. GREEN AND FLOCK'S LEGAL COUNSEL ON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO OUR CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT. THOSE CHANGES ARE INTENDED TO MORE CLEARLY ESTABLISH THE CITY'S OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF ITS DATA, PROHIBITED UNAUTHORIZED USE OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS USE AND SHARING, STRENGTHENING DATA SECURITY REQUIREMENTS AND SEEK MEANINGFUL ACCOUNTABILITY AND CON CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE VIOLATED. SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC REQUESTS HAVE COME FROM THIS COMMITTEE, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT OVER THAT TIME. UH, BASED ON THE VENDOR VENDOR EVALUATION, THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THE PROGRAM AND THE ADDITIONAL CONTRACTUAL PROTECTIONS WE'RE WORKING TO PUT IN PLACE, THE DEPARTMENT IS PROCEEDING WITH THE ANTICIPATED RENEWAL OF OUR EXISTING A LPR AGREEMENT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE TECHNOLOGY, OUR POLICY SHARING PRACTICES AND SAFEGUARDS AS THE TE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY CONTINUE TO EVOLVE. A LPR TECHNOLOGY IS ONE TOOL INTENDED TO HELP PROTECT VICTIMS, SUPPORT INVESTIGATIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, AND ENHANCE COMMUNITY SAFETY. ORGANIZATIONALLY, THE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO USING TECHNOLOGY RESPONSIBLY TO MAKE OUR OPERATIONS MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT, AND IN TURN, POSITIVELY INFLUENCE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UH, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S NOT MEAN. OUR EVALUATION OF THIS TECHNOLOGY EVER STOPS. UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO REVIEW OUR POLICIES, OUR SHARING PRACTICES, SAFEGUARDS, AND THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AS THE LAW TECHNOLOGY ITSELF AND CIRCUMSTANCES CONTINUE TO EVOLVE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE NOT LOSE SIGHT OF WHY WE USE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE FIRST PLACE. APR HAS BECOME AND CONTINUES TO BE AN IMPORTANT INVESTIGATIVE TOOL FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. AND WE'VE USED A LPR INFORMATION HERE IN PETALUMA IN OUR INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING STOLEN VEHICLES, ARMED CARJACKINGS ROBBERY, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, BURGLARY VEHICLE PURSUITS, AND AS WE HEARD ALREADY TONIGHT, MISSING AND ENDANGERED PERSONS AND OTHER VIOLENT CRIME AND SERIOUS INCIDENTS FOR DEPARTMENT R SIZE. THERE'S ALSO SIGNIFICANT EFFICIENCY COMPONENTS. A LPR CAN ALLOW OUR OFFICERS OR DETECTIVES TO DEVELOP INFORMATION IN MINUTES THAT CAN OTHERWISE TAKE HOURS OR DAYS OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK, OR IN CASES, IN SOME CASES MAY NOT REA, MAY NOT REASONABLY BE OBTAINABLE AT ALL, THAT CAN HELP US AND HAS, HAS MORE QUICKLY IDENTIFY A SUSPECT OR SUSPECT VEHICLE, LOCATE, LOCATE A VICTIM OR ENDANGERED PERSON, RECOVER STOLEN PROPERTY, CONNECT RELATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, OR PROVIDE OFFICERS WITH INFORMATION THAT HELP THEM DETERMINE, HELP THEM DETERMINE WHERE TO FOCUS THEIR INVESTIGATION. IT DOESN'T REPLACE POLICE WORK AND NOR DOES AN A OPR ALERT OR SEARCH RESULT BY ITSELF ESTABLISH PROBABLE CAUSE. WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE WORK. WE STILL HAVE TO INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THE INFORMATION. OUR OFFICERS, UM, STILL NEED TO BE LAWFUL APPROPRIATE, MAKE, UM, DECISIONS BASED ON THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH HAVING THAT ACCESS OF THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY AND HOW THIS INFORMATION'S GONNA BE ACCESSED AND USED AND SHARED. AND WE CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT, AND WE, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT. AND THOSE CONCERNS ARE IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN LISTENING, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE CONTINUED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AND THE SAFEGUARDS AND THE OVERSIGHT AND, UM, HAVE WORKED TO INCORPORATE, UH, THOSE COMPONENTS OF ACCOUNTABILITY INTO THE PROGRAM. UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO USE THE TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US TO PROTECT THE VICTIMS, TO WORK, TO INVESTIGATE SERIOUS CRIME, UM, TO LOCATE THOSE MISSING AND ENDANGERED PEOPLES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO HELP WORK TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. THAT'S WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS INTENDED TO DO WHEN USED APPROPRIATELY, REASONABLY, AND LAWFULLY. AND I DON'T THINK THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE TO BE AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER. UM, BUT AGAIN, AS I JUST SAID, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO USE IT APPROPRIATELY, LAWFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY WHILE MAINTAINING EVENING FULL SAFEGUARDS AROUND THE INFORMATION THAT'S ENTRUSTED TO US. AND SO WE'RE WORKING TO DO THAT. WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE [01:05:01] WORKING TO DO THAT. UM, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE SHARING WHAT WE DO TO DO THAT. UM, AND IF THINGS CHANGE, WE'RE OPEN TO CHANGING AND WE'RE OPEN TO CONTINUING TO EVALUATE ALTERNATIVES AND EVOLVING AS THINGS EVOLVE AROUND US. AND SO YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT TO THAT. UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF MILLER. UM, I THINK WITH THAT WE CAN ADJOURN THIS MEETING. I JUST HAVE TO SAY I LOVE THE THREE NEW MEMBERS, . WE, WE USED TO ALWAYS GO LONG. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. LIKE ALWAYS, ALWAYS. AND JUST THE NEW CHAIR. YOU'VE NOW HAD THESE TWO MEETINGS THAT ARE ENDING EARLY. OH, OKAY. . OKAY. UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT SEVEN. MS. MACIAS. OH YES. IS IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE ESTABLISH A CHAIR FOR NEXT MEETING? WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THE TIME CHIEF, SO IF WE WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE SHOW UP THE NEXT MEETING, MAYBE WE SHOULD ESTABLISH A CHAIR FOR THE NEXT MEETING. DOES THAT NEED TO BE AGENDIZED OR IS THAT LIKE, SO WE HAD TALKED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE EARLIER BEFORE THE MEETING, NOT KNOWING THIS WOULD END SO EARLY AS YOUI WOULD TYPICALLY RUN LATE EVERY MONTH. AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE BEST IS TO WAIT FOR CHAIR MILLER TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION. WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE THAT STEAM AWAY FROM HIM, AND IT'S VERY SAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. UH, BUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE BEST IS TO ADVISE YOU, WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT AFTER HE ANNOUNCES RESIGNATION, THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A CHAIR AS WELL AS A VICE CHAIR. AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO LET EVERYONE THINK ABOUT IT, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE, AND THEN WE WOULD AGENDIZE IT FOR THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE OCTOBER MEETING. AND THAT GIVES EVERYONE TIME TO THINK IF THEY WANNA DO IT. AND THEN WE WILL START OFF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE OCTOBER MEETING WITH ELECTING OUR CHAIR AS WELL AS OUR VICE CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR MS. RAISING THAT BECAUSE WE HAD FORGOT TO ACTUALLY ANNOUNCE TO EVERYONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDING THIS TO THE AGENDA FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING AND THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. THANK. JUST WANNA ADD TO THAT FOR THE, THE THREE NEW MEMBERS THAT WHEN WE ALL, UM, WHEN MIKE AND JULIA AND I WERE FIRST HERE WITH THE THREE OTHER MEMBERS, UM, ALL OF US WERE BRAND NEW TOO. SO DO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUMP ON IN. I'M NOT SHY. . OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT OR DO WE, DID WE DO IT ALREADY? WE HAS IT. HAS IT BEEN ADDED? YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T ADDED IT. SO IZED. WE SO IZED. OKAY. WE WERE JUST GONNA ADD IT, BUT YES, IF YOU'D LIKE TO VOTE ON IT. OKAY. WITH THAT, UM, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT SEVEN 14. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.