Climate Action Commission

* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ACTUALLY PRESENT, ACTUALLY PRESENT. ELLEN'S CAMP PRESENT, UH, JENNINGS PRESENT. JRO PRESENT. PETERS HERE. BLACKLOCK, PRESENT SHRIVES HERE. UH, AND O'DONNELL WILL BE ABSENT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. UM, [PRESENTATIONS] SO WE'RE GONNA START THE MEETING OFF WITH A PRESENTATION FROM SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITY, GIVING THEIR, UM, A PRESENTATION ON THE 2024 GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS INVENTORY. AND HERE TO PRESENT IS BC CAPS. THANK YOU FOR COMING. JUST SECOND HERE. SET UP. OH. OH, WELL, WHILE YOU'RE SETTING UP, I'LL JUST SAY THAT BC IS THE CLIMATE PRO. I'LL JUST SAY IT LOUD. OH, THERE WE GO. THERE. IT'S OKAY. SO, BC IS THE CLIMATE PROGRAMS MANAGER AT SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITIES, S-C-T-C-A. AND A FORMER MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION, RIGHT? NO, NO. I HAVE NOT SAT ON THIS. I THOUGHT YOU WERE HERE BEFORE I WAS HERE. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU. NO, I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT NO, NOT ACTUALLY IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, SO, OKAY. WELL, WONDERFUL. GOOD EVENING. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. UM, AS AMY JUST SAID, MY NAME IS BC CAPS. I'M THE CLIMATE PROGRAMS MANAGER WITH THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITIES. UM, I'M HERE TO PRESENT TONIGHT ON RESULTS OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY WITH DATA FROM 2024, AND ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON OUR, UM, COUNTYWIDE AGENCY AS A WHOLE AND DISCUSS THE UPDATE TO OUR SONOMA CLIMATE MOBILIZATION STRATEGY, WHICH IS THE ACTION PLAN THAT COMES OUT OF AND, UH, AND PAIRS WITH OUR GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY. SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, TO BEGIN WITH, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR ORGANIZATION, THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE AUTHORITIES, OR S-C-T-C-A. UH, THIS IS THE NEW NAME FOR TWO COUNTYWIDE AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING AND WORKING SIDE BY SIDE FOR MANY YEARS. UH, THIS IS, SO OUR NEW NAME COVERS THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY AND THE REGIONAL CLIMATE PROTECTION AUTHORITY. UH, TOGETHER WE OPERATE AS ONE UNIFIED STAFF UNDER A SINGLE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH A DUAL FOCUS ON TRANSPORTATION AND CLIMATE ISSUES THROUGHOUT SONOMA COUNTY. OUR WORK INCLUDES LEADING REGIONAL COLLABORATION EFFORTS, SUPPORTING MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL FUNDING EFFORTS, AND ADVOCATING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS. AND NEXT SLIDE. UH, TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WORK, WE, UH, PARTNER CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY OF SONOMA AND ALL NINE OF THE INCORPORATED JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY. UH, WE ALSO WORK WITH SEVERAL OTHER COUNTYWIDE SPECIAL DISTRICTS AND PROGRAMS INCLUDING SONOMA WATER, SONOMA CLEAN POWER, THE AG PRESERVATION AND OPEN SPACE DISTRICT, THE NORTHERN SONOMA COUNTY AIR POLLUTION DISTRICT, UH, ZERO WASTE SONOMA, AND THE COUNTY'S ENERGY AND SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM. AND ALTOGETHER, WE, UH, FORM A VERY TIGHT TEAM. SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE COMBINED AGENCY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, BEGINNING WITH THE CREATION OF THIS SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY IN 1990. THIS WAS FOLLOWED BY THE FORMATION OF THE REGIONAL CLIMATE PROTECTION AUTHORITY IN 2009. AND CONTINUING ON WITH OUR COMBI COMBINED STRATEGIC VISION AND ORGANIZATIONAL ALIGNMENT OF THE TWO AGENCIES IN 2025, UH, THE PAST 35 YEARS DEMONSTRATE ALONG A STRONG HISTORY OF COLLABORATION TO IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND ADVANCE CLIMATE ACTION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. WITH THAT BACKGROUND, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY RESULTS. UH, TO START, UH, WE NEED TO GO BACK BRIEFLY TO 2016 WHEN WE CREATED OUR FIRST COMMUNITY WIDE INVENTORY. UH, THAT EFFORT ANALYZED 2010 DATA AND ALSO CREATED A HISTORICAL BACKCAST TO 1990. WE USED 1990 AS OUR BENCHMARK FOR TRACKING THE IMPACTS OF LOCAL CLIMATE PROTECTION EFFORTS OVER TIME. UM, AND THIS IS REALLY, I THINK, AN OUTGROWTH OF THE WORK AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH AB 32. UM, SINCE THEN, WE'VE COMPLETED INVENTORY UPDATES EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS FOLLOWING THE US COMMUNITY PROTOCOL FOR ACCOUNTING AND REPORTING OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS PUBLISHED BY ICLE. IN ADDITION, THE SONOMA COUNTY, THE SONOMA CLIMATE MOBILIZATION STRATEGY WAS ADOPTED BY OUR BOARD IN MARCH, 2021 AND ESTABLISHED A COUNTYWIDE GOAL OF BECOMING CARBON NEUTRAL BY 2030. FOR OUR LOCAL ACCOUNTING, WE DEFINE THAT GOAL OF REDUCING EMISSIONS TO 80% BELOW 1990 LEVELS WITH THE REMAINING 20% BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH CARBON SEQUESTRATION PROJECTS. NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DATA, AND WE'LL START WITH COUNTYWIDE EMISSIONS, AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP WITH INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO PETALUMA. UH, THIS CHART SHOWS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY SECTOR ACROSS ALL OF OUR INVENTORY YEARS. OVERALL, COUNTYWIDE EMISSION GREENHOUSE GAS [00:05:01] EMISSIONS ARE 22.7% LOWER THAN OUR 1990 BASELINE. UH, THAT IS A ME THAT IS A MEANINGFUL REDUCTION, BUT STILL WELL SHORT OF OUR 80% REDUCTION WE ARE AIMING FOR BY 2030. LOOKING AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE RELATIVE SIZE OF EACH SECTOR TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNTS FOR MORE THAN 60% OF OUR TOTAL EMISSIONS WHILE BUILDINGS ACCOUNT FOR MORE THAN 20%. UH, THAT MAKES OUR COM CONTINUED WORK IN THESE TWO AREAS, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT AS WE WORK TO REDUCE COUNTYWIDE EMISSIONS IN THE YEARS AHEAD. NEXT SLIDE. UH, ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT OUR 2024 EMISSIONS IS BY IS ON A, IS BY A JURISDICTION. LEMME START AGAIN THERE. ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THE 24 20 24 EMISSIONS IS BY, UM, BREAKING IT OUT BY JURISDICTION ON A PER PERSON BASIS. UH, THIS HELPS ACCOUNT FOR DIFFERENCES IN POPULATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT CITIES. THE HORIZONTAL LINES SHOW THE NATIONAL, STATE AND COUNTY AVERAGES FOR COMPARISON. AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERY LOCAL JURISDICTION IN THE COUNTY IS WELL BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND ALL BUT ONE OR BELOW THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE. THESE RESULTS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN PAST YEARS. MORE URBANIZED AREAS ARE GENERALLY HAVE LOWER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS PER PERSON, WHILE MORE RURAL AREAS TEND TO HAVE HIGHER EMISSIONS PER PERSON. UH, NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND WALK THROUGH EACH THE RESULTS SECTOR BY SECTOR. UH, STARTING WITH BUILDING ENERGY EMISSIONS, UH, WE SEE LEVELS THAT ARE MORE THAN 48% LOWER THAN IN 1990 AND 10% LOWER THAN IN 2022. UH, AS NOTED ON THE GRAPH, ONE MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR HAS BEEN THE FORMATION OF SONOMA CLEAN POWER AND THE START OF THEIR ELECTRIC SERVICE IN 2012. ANOTHER MAJOR FACTOR HAS BEEN THE STATEWIDE SHIFT AWAY FROM NATURAL GAS ELECTRICITY GENERATION, ALONG WITH CONTINUED GROWTH IN UTILITY SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE AT THE HOUSEHOLD LEVEL. ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE OPTIONS ALLOW PEOPLE TO USE MORE OF THEIR DAYTIME SOLAR GENERATION INTO THE EVENING HOURS, WHICH BOTH LOWERS THEIR ENERGY COST AND LOWERS THEIR EMISSIONS. UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO NOTE HERE THOUGH IS, UM, THE CALIFORNIA THEY'LL LOAD FOR ELECTRIC LOAD FOR CALIFORNIA IS EXPECTED TO GROW DRAMATICALLY OVER THE UPCOMING YEARS. PART OF THAT IS REALLY TIED WITH THE MOVEMENT AROUND DATA CENTERS, BUT ALSO IS AND KIND OF TECH HARDWARE. BUT A LOT OF IT IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THINKING ABOUT MOVING FROM NATURAL GAS TO ELECTRIFIED, UM, UH, HOUSING EQUIPMENT. SO THAT DECARBONIZATION IS, WILL INCREASE THE, UH, UH, THE ELECTRIC DEMAND. UH, AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS THEN TO PRODUCE THAT ELECTRICITY, UM, UH, THROUGH RENEWABLE MEANS. SO LET ME MOVE ON TO TRANSPORTATION. NOW, UH, THIS CHART SHOWS TRANSPORTATIONS ARE TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS ARE MORE THAN 8% HIGHER THAN IN 1990, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE DECREASED ABOUT 3% SINCE 2022. DESPITE SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS, TRANSPORTATION CONTINUES TO BE THE MOST DIFFICULT SECTOR IN WHICH TO REDUCE EMISSIONS. SINCE 1990, COUNTYWIDE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED OR VMT HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY AT THE SAME TIME, IMPROVEMENTS IN VEHICLE EFFICIENCY HAVE HELPED KEEP EMISSIONS FROM RISING EVEN HIGHER. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A CONT WE CAN SEE THIS IN THE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT OF THE EFFICIENCY OF INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES OVER TIME. AT THE SAME TIME, THEY CONTINUED GROWTH OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND PLUG-IN HYBRIDS HAS HELPED REDUCE EMISSIONS BY SHIFTING TRANSPORTATION AWAY FROM GASOLINE AND DIESEL. WE CAN SEE THIS TREND EVEN MORE CLEARLY ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, STARTING WITH THIS YEAR'S INVENTORY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEPARATE ELECTRICITY DEMAND FROM A, UH, THAT'S BEING USED BY ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND PLUG-IN HYBRIDS FOR MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS. UH, IN PREVIOUS INVENTORIES, THIS ELECTRICITY USE WAS INCLUDED WITH THE BUILDING ENERGY EMISSIONS, AND NOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL IT OUT AND LOOK AT IT SEPARATELY. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, ELECTRICITY USE FROM ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND PLUG-IN HYBRIDS HAS CR INCREASED DRAMATICALLY SINCE 2010. DESPITE RECENT CHANGES IN THE MARKET, WE HOPE THIS TREND CONTINUES WELL INTO THE FUTURE. CURRENTLY, JUST OVER 2% OF ELECTRICITY USE COUNTYWIDE IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND PLUG-IN HYBRIDS, UH, THIS GROWTH IS IN ELECTRIC VEHICLE USE HAS HELPED LOWER TRANSPORTATION EMISSION EMISSIONS EVEN AS VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS. SO THAT, I THINK THIS GRAPH IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR WINNING STORIES, AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE WATCHING CAREFULLY OVER THE UPCOMING YEARS. LET ME TAKE A, A TURN TO LOOKING AT WATER NOW. UH, WATER RELATED EMISSIONS ARE MORE THAN, ARE, ARE MORE THAN 69% LOWER THAN IN 1990 WITH ANOTHER SLIGHT DECREASE SINCE, UH, 2022. AS NOTED ON THE SLIDE, A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO THIS LONG-TERM TREND HAS BEEN SONOMA WATER'S CARBON FREE WATER INITIATIVE, WHICH RESULTED IN DRAMATIC REDUCTIONS IN EMISSIONS FROM PUMPING AND DISTRIBUTING WATER ACROSS THE COUNTY. WATER USE EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS [00:10:01] HAVE ALSO CONTINUED TO REDUCE OVERALL WATER DEMAND FURTHER CONTRIBUTING TO THESE EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS. LOOKING AHEAD, THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENERGY RELATED IMPROVEMENT AT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS THROUGHOUT SONOMA COUNTY, AND WE KNOW OF SEVERAL LOCAL JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE WORKING ON THESE EFFORTS, BOTH INDIVIDUALLY AND, UH, POTENTIALLY TOGETHER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, MOVING ON TO SOLID WASTE EMISSIONS. THESE EMISSIONS ARE MORE THAN 53% LOWER THAN IN 1990, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE RISEN SLIGHTLY SINCE 2022. ONE MAJOR FOCUS IS INCREASING THE DIVERSION. A ONE MAJOR FOCUS IN THIS AREA IS INCREASING THE DIVERSION OF ORGANIC MATERIAL FROM THE WASTE STREAM, WHICH CAN HELP REDUCE METHANE EMISSIONS FROM LANDFILLS. CALIFORNIA HAS ESTABLISHED STATEWIDE GOALS FOR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS THROUGH SB 1383, HOW OUR PROGRESS FROM THESE TARGETS HAS BEEN SLOWER THAN EXPECTED AT THE STATE LEVEL. ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, THOUGH, HERE IN SONOMA COUNTY, ZERO WASTE, SONOMA IS LEADING THIS EFFORT LOCALLY AND APPEARS TO BE ON TRACK TO MEET THESE GOALS WELL AHEAD OF THE SLOWER PROGRESS WE'RE SEEING AT THE STATE LEVEL. UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL SECTOR OF AGRICULTURE. AND EMISSIONS FROM THE AGRICULTURE SECTOR ARE NEARLY 40% LOWER THAN IN 1990. REDUCED ACREAGE FOR CROP PRODUCTION AND LOWER LIVESTOCK COUNTS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THESE REDUCTIONS. GIVEN THE CRITICAL ROLE THAT AGRICULTURE PLAYS IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY, THE THIS IS SOMETHING OF A MIXED RESULT. UH, IN RESPONSE TO THESE RECENT DECLINES, THE UH, COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS WORKING TO SUPPORT LOCAL AGRICULTURAL IN THE LOCAL AG INDUSTRY. AND THE COUNTY HAS FORMALLY DECLARED AGRICULTURAL AGRICULTURE AND WORKING LANDS TO BE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THEIR IMPORTANCE TO THE ECONOMY, THE ENVIRONMENT, AND OUR LOCAL FOOD SECURITY. UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THESE EFFORTS CAN HELP STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL AG ECONOMY WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING LOWER CARBON EMISSIONS THROUGH SUSTAINABLE LAND AND CROP MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO I WANTED TO DIG IN HERE. ALL OF THOSE SLIDES SO FAR HAVE REALLY BEEN AT THE COUNTYWIDE LEVEL, AND I WANTED TO HAVE, I'VE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE THAT ARE PETALUMA SPECIFIC, AND DEPENDING UPON KIND OF REQUESTS, I'M ABLE TO PULL OUT THESE STATS AND PROVIDE SOME MORE DETAILS, UH, DEPENDING UPON SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. SO, TAKING A LOOK AT THE EMISSIONS LEVELS ON THIS SLIDE, UH, AS WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY, TRANSPORTATION DOMINATES THE OTHER SECTORS ACCOUNTING FOR NEARLY 70% OF BUILDING OF CURRENT EMISSIONS HERE IN PETALUMA, BUILDING ENERGY ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER 25%. UH, ONE POINT WORTH NOTING IS THAT THE 2024 EMISSION LEVELS APPEAR TO BE NEARLY IDENTICAL TO 1990 LEVELS AFTER REACHING A PEAK IN 2018, UH, TAKEN TOGETHER. IT SHOWS HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN BE TO BRING EMISSIONS DOWN OVER THE LONG TERM, EVEN WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TAKING PLACE LOCALLY. AS WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, CONTINUED WORK ON TRANSPORTATION AND BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR EFFORTS GOING FORWARD. AND BETWEEN THE 70% IN TRANSPORTATION AND APPROXIMATELY 25% IN BUILDINGS, THAT REALLY SHOWS THAT 95% OF THE EMISSIONS THAT WE'RE CALCULATING FOR HERE IN PETALUMA ARE REALLY WITHIN THOSE TWO SECTORS. SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, THIS CHART SHOWS THAT EMISSIONS HAVE BEEN DECREASING OVER TIME WHEN CALCULATED ON A PER HOUSEHOLD BASIS, SHOWN IN ORANGE, A PER JOB BASIS, SHOWN IN GRAY OR PER PAY PER PERSON BASIS, SHOWN IN BLUE. THESE PER CAPITA MEASURES ALLOW US TO COMPARE JURISDICTIONS OF DIFFERENT SIZES TO SEE LOCAL TRENDS INDEPENDENT OF THE CHANGES IN POPULATION. ALTHOUGH TOTAL EMISSIONS IN PETALUMA SHOW ONLY A VERY SMALL REDUCTION SINCE 1990, THESE DOWNWARD TRENDS ON A PER PERSON BASIS ARE ENCOURAGING AND SHOULD BE CONTINUED THROUGH SUSTAINED LOCAL EFFORTS. NEXT, UH, COMING BACK THEN TO THE COUNTYWIDE VIEW, THIS SLIDE SHOWS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR RECENT GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY DASHBOARD. UH, THE DASHBOARD IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND ALLOWS ANYONE TO EXPLORE INVENTORY DATA FROM 1990 THROUGH 2024. UH, TO REITERATE, TOTAL COUNTYWIDE EMISSIONS ARE 22.7% LOWER THAN IN 1990. AND EVERY SECTOR EXCEPT TRANSPORTATION, SHOWS SUBSTANTIAL DECREASES. WHILE OUR CURRENT GOAL OF REACHING CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030 NOW APPEARS TO BE INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE, WE WILL BE REASSESSING THAT TARGET AS PART OF OUR CURRENT UPDATE TO THE SO SONOMA CLIMATE MOBILIZATION STRATEGY. AND I WANNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT EFFORT NOW. UM, THIS STRATEGY WAS FIRST ADOPTED BY OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS IN 2021, AND RESULTED IN TWO MAJOR THINGS. FIRST, IT ESTABLISHED A COUNTYWIDE CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL FOR 2030. SEVERAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE ADOPTED THAT SAME GOAL AT THE CITY LEVEL FOR THEIR OWN CLIMATE PLANNING. SECOND, IT OUTLINED 30 13 STRATEGIES AROUND FOUR BROAD TOPIC AREAS TO HELP ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. UH, THIS DOCUMENT HAS SERVED AS SC TCA'S CLIMATE PLAYBOOK FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND WE'VE MADE PROGRESS ON [00:15:01] A NUMBER OF THE IDENTIFIED ACTIONS GIVEN THE LOCAL, STATE AND NATIONAL CHANGES SINCE 2021. WE ARE NOW UPDATING THE STRATEGY TO REFLECT CURRENT CONDITIONS AND HELP SET A COURSE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. NEXT SLIDE. UH, WORK IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ON FOUR KEY TASKS AS PART OF THIS UPDATE. FIRST, WE ARE EVALUATING THE PROGRESS MADE LOCALLY SINCE THE STRATEGY WAS ADOPTED IN 2021. NEXT, WE'LL ALIGN THE STRATEGIES, GOALS, AND TARGETS WITH LOCAL, REGIONAL, AND STATEWIDE CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING DOCUMENTS WILL THEN ADDRESS THE GAPS IN THE CURRENT STRATEGY TO MAKE SURE OUR EFFORTS COVER THE FULL RANGE OF NEEDS THAT WE SEE IN THOSE OTHER PLANS. AND FINALLY, WE WILL IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE THE HIGHEST, THE HIGHEST IMPACT, MULTI-GENERATIONAL OR MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL ACTIONS, AND DEVELOP FUNDING STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION OVER LONG TERM. NEXT, PLEASE. UH, THIS WILL WORK WILL BE BASED AROUND THREE INTERCONNECTED GOALS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED AND REFINED. FIRST, WE WANNA REDUCE CARBON POLLUTION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SECOND, WE WANT TO STRENGTHEN OUR COUNTY-WIDE ABILITY TO PREPARE FOR AND ADAPT TO THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. AND THIRD, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS BENEFIT FROM THESE EFFORTS IN AN EQUITABLE AND EFFICIENT MANNER. UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, THE, THE UPDATE OF THE MOBILIZATION STRATEGY BEING IS BEING LED BY TANYA ETH, OUR CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER, UH, WITH WORK BEGINNING THIS PAST FEBRUARY. THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY HAS BEEN COMPLETED, UH, AS I PRESENTED THIS AFTERNOON THIS EVENING. AND STAFF ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING LOCAL ACTION PLANS TO CONFIRM ALIGNMENT AND IDENTIFY GAPS IN OUR CURRENT STRATEGY. THE DRAFT STRATEGIES AND OBJECTIVES WILL THEN BE REWARD REVIEWED BY OUR BOARD BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. THE FULL DRAFT REPORT IS EXPECTING BE TO, EXPECTED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW NEXT SPRING WITH ANTICIPATED ADOPTION BY OUR BOARD IN MID 2027. NEXT TO COLLECT INPUT ON THE STRATEGY UPDATE, WE'VE DEVELOPED A BRIEF ONLINE STRATEGY AND WE'LL BE COLLECTING RESPONSES THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH. A LINK TO THE SURVEY SHOWN ON THE SLIDE FOR ANY MEMBERS HERE WHO'D LIKE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. WE'RE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS AND WELCOME BRI COMMENTS AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. UH, AS THIS, UH, UPDATE MOVES FORWARD, UH, OVER THE UPCOMING MONTHS, EITHER TANYA OR I WOULD LOVE AND BE HAPPY TO RETURN FOR A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION ABOUT THE STRATEGY AND OUR COUNTYWIDE EFFORTS TO REACH CARBON NEUTRALITY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS WE FINALIZE, UH, UH, THE DETAILS OF THIS UPDATED PLAN. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONS MAY HAVE. AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU BC. UM, I, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE'RE DOING DIRECT QUESTIONS AND IF WE WANNA HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON IT, WE SHOULD AGENDIZE IT. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE'RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS OR, UM, ACTUALLY DIGGING DOWN DEEPER INTO, UH, ANALYSIS HERE, OR MAKING COMMENTS, UM, WITHOUT THE MUCH PUBLIC HERE, ARE WE GONNA DIG DOWN INTO THIS PRESENTATION? SO DO YOU WANT US TO DO THAT NOW OR, OR, OR ACTUALLY HOLD OFF TO AFTER PUBLIC, I'LL, I'LL READ WHAT THE AGENDA SAYS. IT SAYS, COMMISSIONERS MAY PROVIDE BRIEF COMMENTS ON A PRESENTATION, BUT SHOULD NOT DELIBERATE ON THE MATTER. IF A CONVERSATION IS WARRANTED, IT SHOULD BE IZED FOR A FUTURE MEETING AS A BUSINESS ITEM. HOWEVER, WE HAVE BC HERE, SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANNA ASK. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO BE, UH, MORE GENTLE. UM, THE, UM, UH, I LOOK AT THE DATA. I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OF, OF ALL THE DATA YOU PRESENTED AND WE'RE DOING TERRIBLE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UH, LOOKING AT THE DATA. UM, AND I SEE, UH, THOSE GOOD WORDS YOU'VE SAID, ALL THE D UH, SAYING RATIONALES ARE GOING DOWN THIS AND THAT, BUT I, I, I INTERPRET SEVERAL GRAPHS DIFFERENTLY. UH, ALSO, UH, WHAT I WANNA ASK YOU IS, UM, WHERE THE NUMBERS ACTUALLY COME. HOW DO WE GENERATE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS? I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. AND THEN SOME OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND, UM, THE REDUCTIONS HERE AND THERE, AND WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF IT RE DE DECREASING AND LOOKING AT WHAT IS IT ON THE ACTUAL, UH, ON A PERSONAL BASIS, WAS THERE ACTUAL REDUCTION ON A PERSONAL BASIS FOR ACTIONS? AND MY INTERPRETATION IS, YES, THERE'S SOME CRITICAL THINGS THAT DROP THINGS DOWN, SUCH AS SONOMA CLEAN POWER, UM, AND THERE'S SOME WASTE, UH, AND JUST CONVERTING OVER THERE, THAT IS THE MAJOR THING. BUT I'M LOOKING AT ELECTRIC CARS, THE INFUSION THAT WE'VE HAD HERE LOCALLY IN PETALUMA, BUT I'M ALSO, UH, NOTING THAT THE NUMBER OF CARS ON THE ROAD HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. UM, BUT SOMEHOW, UM, THE, THE DATA'S NOT INDICATING OR SHOWING THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO WHERE IS THE DATA COMING FROM FOR TRANSPORTATION AND FOR BUILDINGS? HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE, THE, UM, THESE DATA POINTS, UM, AND SOME OF THE CRITICAL FACTORS THAT ARE CAUSING THIS? [00:20:01] I'M, I I, I'D LIKE TO REALLY QUESTION SOME OF THOSE. SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GO GRAPH BY GRAPH OR, I, I DON'T THINK WE DON'T WANNA DO INTENSE, BUT, UM, MY BASIC IMPRESSION IS, IS I'VE, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING AND HOW FAST WE'RE GOING THERE. GETTING THERE, IT'S, I'M NOT IMPRESSED AND I'M WITH HOW WE'RE DOING AT ALL, GIVEN, GIVEN THE INFORMATION JUST GIVEN US ANYWAY, IF YOU COULD LIKE, DISCUSS THE, THE, THE REAL QUESTION COMES DOWN TO, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST THING, THE DATA FOR TRANSPORTATION. WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM, BOTH FROM A REGIONAL BASIS AND ALSO FOR PETALUMA? WHEN THE EMISSIONS, UH, HOW ARE YOU CALCULATING THAT? IS IT, ARE YOU ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UH, THE NUMBER OF CARS ON THE ROAD, THE NUMBER OF GAS THAT'S, UH, BEING PUMPED OUT OF OUR STATIONS HERE? HOW IS THE CALCULATIONS ACTUALLY GENERATED ON THAT? UH, BECAUSE, UH, WHAT WE SEE ON THE ROAD IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE DATA YOU'RE PRESENTING, EVERYTHING. SO THAT, I WANNA SEE WHERE YOUR NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM. 'CAUSE I DON'T, DON'T BELIEVE SOME OF 'EM. SO HERE I'LL PUT, UM, I THINK I CAN PROVIDE, I CAN BREAK THAT PART INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PIECES. UM, AND YOU ASKED BOTH ABOUT BUILDING EMISSIONS AND TRANSPORTATION, BUT I THINK, LET ME FOCUS IN ON WHERE THE TRANSPORTATION DATA COMES FROM. UM, BECAUSE THIS INVENTORY IS CALCULATED AT A COUNTYWIDE BASIS, A LOT OF THE CALCULATIONS ARE REALLY COUNT COUNTYWIDE, AGGREGATE NUMBERS THAT WE RUN, UH, MODELS ON, AND THEN WE PARTITION. UM, AND THEN FOR TRANSPORTATION, THIS IS TRUE. AND THEN WE PARTITION, UM, ALLOTMENTS OUT TO EACH OF THE JURISDICTIONS. SO SPECIFICALLY WITH JU SPECIFICALLY WITH TRANSPORTATION, THE KEY DATA INPUTS ARE, UH, DATA VMT DATA WE GET FROM OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITHIN S-C-T-C-A. UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY, THEY DO TRA THEY HAVE A, THERE IS A TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED THAT'S USED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UH, BY SCTA, UH, SON COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY THAT PRODUCES FORECASTED AMOUNTS FOR VMT BY JURISDICTION ON A DAILY BASIS. SO THEY ARE PROJECTIONS, THERE'S A MODEL DATA, BUT IT'S KIND OF THE BEST INPUT THAT WE HAVE FOR APPROXIMATE DATA FOR VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED PER PERSON, UH, IN EACH JURISDICTION. WE THEN USE DATA FROM, UH, CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD. IT'S KNOWN AS THE M FACT DATABASE, THE EMISSIONS FACTOR DATABASE, WHICH HAS CALCULATIONS, UH, CALCULATION TABLES FOR SONOMA COUNTY, WHICH THEN ALLOW US TO SAY FOR EACH VEHICLE MILE TRAVELED AT WHICH SPEED IT ALLOCATES SOME GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. WE THEN PRODUCE SOME, IT'S BASICALLY AT THIS POINT DONE IN EXCEL, RUNS SOME CALCULATIONS AND THEN GIVES US SOME ANALYSIS BASED UPON THOSE TRANSPORTATION. KIND OF THE, THE BIG PICTURE NUMBERS. UM, IT IS MODELED DATA, UM, AND I'M EXPLAINING IT IN, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NUANCES AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT DEPENDING UPON THE LEVEL OF, UH, KIND OF DETAIL, WE, I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH ANY OF THESE CALCULATIONS KIND OF IN A MORE DETAILED LEVEL, UM, MORE, PROBABLY MORE DETAILED THAN IS KIND OF APPROPRIATE HERE IN THE, IN A, IN A MEETING SENSE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPED ANSWER SOME OF THE A, A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UH, I'M LOOKING AT GROUND TRUTHING, THE MODEL DATA, UH, BECAUSE AS I SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE MODEL DATA. AND I'M GOING, I'M QUESTIONING WHERE THE, WHERE THE ACTUAL, UH, NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM. UH, FOR VMT. UH, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE DMV, UH, CALCULATIONS OF WHAT THE MILEAGE IS THAT EACH VEHICLE HAS DONE, ACCUMULATED AND, UH, POSSESSED BY EACH OF THE RESIDENTS IN EACH CITY. UM, AND THEN, UH, TRYING TO CALCULATE FROM THERE, AND IF THEIR ELECTRIC VERSUS GAS AND THE GAS MILEAGE IS ALL BEING PUT TOGETHER, DOES THE MODEL, HOW DEEP DOES THAT MODEL ACTUALLY GO INTO ACTUAL, THE REAL DATA OF, UH, OR IS IT JUST ESTIMATIONS? THE ESTIMATIONS COME FOR VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, COMING OUT OF OUR INTERNAL TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL ARE JUST VEHICLE MILES TRA IT'S AN AGGREGATE NUMBER PER SPEED BIN PER JURISDICTION PER DAY. SO IT'S AN AGGREGATE NUMBER WITHIN THE EMISSIONS FACTOR DATABASE. THAT DATA IS BROKEN OUT BY THE EXPECTED PERCENTAGE OF GASOLINE VEHICLES, DIESEL VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, PLUGIN HYBRIDS. SO THEN WE USE THAT DATA AND BASICALLY DISAGGREGATE OUR COUNTY TOTALS BACK INTO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT FUEL SOURCES. DIFFERENT EMISSIONS FACTORS ARE USED FOR EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT FUEL SOURCES TO ALLOW FOR THE BEST APPROXIMATION THAT WE CAN GIVE, THAT WE CAN GET. ARE WE COUNTING THE ACTUAL, UM, IS IT A COUNT OF CARS? IS IT A COUNT OF THE EACH SPECIES OF CAR? IS IT A COUNT OF HOW MANY MILES TRAVELED BY EACH CAR? IS THAT THE BASIS OF IT? OR IS ARE, ARE YOU COUNTING CARS ON THE ROAD, CARS ON THIS ROAD VERSUS THAT ROAD, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS CITY VERSUS, 'CAUSE THE CITY'S GOING HILBERG IS UP HERE AND WE'RE DOWN HERE. WHY? UM, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I THINK THAT, UH, MY COLLEAGUE CHRIS BARNEY, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER THE DETAILED, UM, KIND OF THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW THAT TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL IS PUT TOGETHER. IT [00:25:01] IS A MODEL THOUGH, AND I THINK TO GROUND TRUTH OR TO BRING IT INTO ALIGNMENT, BASICALLY. THEN WE'RE USING DATA FROM THE MA DATABASE FROM AIR RESOURCES BOARD, WHICH IS, UM, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT HIGHLY SCIENTIFIC, BUT IT'S, I WANNA, I WANNA ELEVATE IT AS KIND OF A, A SOURCE OF A SOURCE OF DATA THAT I HAVE TR I HAVE A VAL, UM, KIND OF A, A HIGH VALUE OF. UM, AND THEN IT'S ALSO, AND THEN THE NUMBERS ARE, I THINK TO SCALE IT TO THE COUNTY, WE ALSO GET DATA FROM THE HPMS HIGHWAY PERFORMANCE MONITORING SYSTEM, WHICH ACTUALLY DOES COUNT ACTUAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ON COUNTY ROADS. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN ACTUAL COUNT OR IF IT'S A MODEL. THERE'S ONE OTHER ASPECT IN HERE THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT I WANTED TO PULL OUT THOUGH, BEYOND JUST THE CALCULATIONS. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND WOULD BE HELPFUL ARE WHAT I CATEGORIZE AS INDICATORS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME INDIVIDUAL ONES. UM, WE'RE NOT COUNTING ACTUAL DMV REGISTRATIONS, BUT THAT IS DATA THAT WE COULD COLLECT COULD BE PRESENTED. UH, THERE'S A CORRELATION WITHOUT CAUSALITY, IT COULD BE PRESENTED AS AN INDICATOR ON THE SIDE. IF WE SEE VEHICLE ELECTRIC VEHICLES SALES GOING UP, THAT'S AN INDICATOR POINTING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT MONITORING THOSE EXACT EMISSIONS FROM THOSE EXACT, UM, THOSE EXACT VEHICLES. SO I THINK MY HOPE IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY JUST TRACKING EMISSIONS. I THINK PART OF THE LONGER TERM PICTURE AND WHERE WE COULD GET A FULLER, MORE NUANCED VIEW IS INCLUDING SOME OF THESE, THESE KEY INDICATORS SO THAT WE HAVE A GHG NUMBER AND THERE'S CALCULATIONS AND MODELS, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER, AND IN THE REAL WORLD, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE GROUND. SO THEY MAY BE, THE CALCULATIONS MAY BE NOT CONNECTED, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, CORRELATED IN SOME WAYS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS, UH, A LITTLE BIT. THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE THE DATA IS NOW COMING FROM. SURE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE GROUND TRUTHING IN THE FUTURE ON, ON THIS STUFF. UM, THEN GOING TO THE BUILDINGS, DO WE ACTUALLY CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF CONVERSIONS OF GAS HEATING TO ELECTRIC HEATING? IS THAT PART OF THE EQUATIONS IN THE BUILDINGS OR IS IT JUST USING PG E DATA FOR, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO EACH HOUSE? UM, AND, AND BUSINESSES ARE WE, WHOSE DATA ARE WE USING THERE? SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE CONVERSIONS OF FURNACES TO HEAT PUMPS IS LIKE AN INDICATOR THAT WE CAN TRACK, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE CALCULATIONS WE USE FOR THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY FOR BUILDING EMISSIONS. WE'RE GETTING DATA FROM SONOMA CLEAN POWER PG AND E AND FOR THE HEALDSBURG FROM HEALDSBURG ELECTRIC. AND WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THOSE DATA FOR, UM, UH, ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS USE ON A PER JURISDICTION BASIS AND A PER CUSTOMER TYPE BASIS. UM, SO IT'S BASICALLY, SO IT'S BASED AROUND, SO WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE TRENDS AT THE SYSTEM-WIDE LEVEL WITHOUT ACTUALLY WITH A GAP THAT EXISTS INTO UNDERSTAND THAT LINKAGE TO THE, IN TO SOME OF THE OTHER REAL WORLD DATA. OKAY. YEAH. SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST, JUST GETTING REAL WORLD DATA IN, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL, AT LEAST FOR SOME GROUND TRUTHING. UH, LOOKING AT PG E DATA ON A PER HOUSEHOLD BASIS, WHAT'S BEING USED, UH, NUMBER OF, UH, APPLIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE REBATE PROGRAMS NEED TO BE INCLUDED. UM, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, EVEN LOOKING AT HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIRES HAVE BEEN SOLD HERE AND HOW MANY MILES PER TIRE ESTIMATE THAT COMES OFF OF THAT, UM, WOULD GIVE YOU AN EX EXTRA ESTIMATE OF ACTUAL TRUE, UH, GROUND TRUING OF, OF HOW MUCH RUBBER IS ON THE ROAD. UM, AND, AND TRAVEL DISTANCES. SO, UM, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE GAS STATIONS, HOW MUCH A GASOLINE IS BEING USED, UH, AT, IN, IN CONGLOMERATE DATA THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO EASILY TO GET AT, UM, AS, UH, ACTUALLY GAS IN CARS AND, AND THEN IN THE GAS PG E AS THE GAS DATA VERSUS ELECTRICAL DATA IN COMPARISON, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE REGIONS AND HOUSEHOLD BY HOUSEHOLD. THAT'S THE REAL DATA I'D BE LOOKING AT. UM, AND NOT BECAUSE THE EMISSIONS FOR PG E ELECTRICAL, UM, MAYBE WE HAVE A LOT OF MOVEMENT TO SONOMA CLEAN POWER, BUT LESS THAN 3% ARE ON THE ACTUAL A HUNDRED PERCENT GREEN ENERGY. SO, UM, WHAT TYPE OF ESTIMATES WERE USED AND ACTUAL COMPARED TO ACTUAL REAL DATA FROM PG E FOR THAT? 'CAUSE SOME OF YOUR NUMBERS, AND ESPECIALLY THE DECLINES, ESPECIALLY IN AGRICULTURE, AGRICULTURE IS NOT BECAUSE THE PRACTICES HAVE CHANGED, BUT BECAUSE AGRICULTURE HAS BEEN HURT SO BAD, WE DON'T HAVE THE PRODUCTIVITY OR THE AMOUNT OF OUR ACRES IN PRODUCTION. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH WORK BEING DONE. WE'RE NOT PRODUCING MUCH VOLUME. IT'S NOT THAT WE'VE REDUCED OUR EMISSIONS AT ALL ON A PER CAPITA BASIS OR PERFORM BASIS. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUR BEHAVIORS. SO I'M LOOKING AT, UH, ESTIMATES ALSO ON BEHAVIOR CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THAT GOING. UM, HOW MANY, 'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF CARS ON THE ROAD, IF YOU JUST HERE IN PETALUMA, UM, EVERYONE SAYS OVER [00:30:01] THE LAST 10 YEARS WE HAVE SEEN A HUGE INCREASE IN CONGESTION AND NUMBER OF CARS PER GOING DOWN DOWN WASHINGTON. UM, AND OUR POPULATION HAS NOT CHANGED IN, IN LIKE ALMOST 10 YEARS. UM, SO WHERE ARE THESE CARS COMING FROM? SUSPICION IS THE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES ARE STAYING HOME AND THEY'RE GETTING BUYING CARS. AND SO WE HAVE A LOT LARGER POPULATION IN CARS THAN BEFORE BECAUSE WE HAVE A POPULATION THAT'S NOT LEAVING, BUT STAYING HOME AND, AND THE HOUSEHOLDS ARE MAYBE GROWING LARGER WITH ALL THE TEENAGERS STAYING HOME NOW OR COMING BACK HOME OR ON THE SCHOOLS. SO, UM, JUST ESTIMATING. SO JUST SOME, GETTING SOME CAR DATA ON REAL ROADS, UH, ON A PER CITY BASIS. 'CAUSE WE, WE ARE COLLECTING DATA, SO ON THE MAIN ROADS, WHAT, HOW MANY CARS WERE DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE AND WHAT'S THIS IS NOW, UM, AGAIN, GROUND TRUTHING ON THIS BECAUSE YOUR DATA IS, I WOULD SAY A SCIENTIST. SO YOUR DATA IS SUSPECT TO ME USING MODEL DATA. OKAY. THAT'S JUST MY, JUST AS A A, A QUESTION THAT, UH, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE. SURE. AND THE ONLY, AND THE ONLY THE, I THINK THE KEY RESPONSE I HAVE TO THAT IS WE ARE, UH, FOLLOWING THE ESTABLISHED, UM, PROTOCOL THAT'S A BEEN ADOPTED BY YLI AND THAT WE'VE USED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND ALL OF THAT PROTOCOL IS KIND OF BASED UPON USING THESE LARGER SCALE. UH, IT'S, IT'S BASED UPON MODELING AND BASED UPON, UH, ESTIMATING AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS. AND I'M NOT, UM, DISCOUNTING THE POINTS YOU'RE BRINGING UP AT ALL. I'M JUST WANTING TO PUT THEM IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF WE SHOULD BE TRACKING THOSE AND WE SHOULD BE PRESENTING THEM IN PARALLEL WITH OUR EMISSIONS INVENTORY, BUT THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY THE INPUTS THAT GO INTO DEVELOPING THE INVENTORY. RIGHT. SO, AND SO I DO WANNA JUST PULL APART IT. SO FOR KIND OF, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE. YEAH. BECAUSE AS UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE MODELS ARE GETTING THEIR ESTIMATES FROM, OF, OF GOING THROUGH, UH, VERSUS, AND THEN THE ACTUAL REAL GROUND TRUTHING AND, AND BEHAVIOR CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE AND THE REALITY THAT WE'RE FACING, UH, ACTUAL IN TRUTH. UM, SO IT ALL HAS TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN THE SAME PACKAGE. UM, 'CAUSE THE MODELING DATA AT, AT THIS POINT, I, UH, I'VE JUST, THE COMMENT IS I DON'T TRUST YOUR DATA. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. AS, AS MORE AND MORE CARS ARE BEING EQUIPPED WITH TELEMATICS, DO YOU ANTICIPATE TAPPING INTO THAT, THAT DATABASE IN THE FUTURE? SO YOU'D HAVE LIKE SUPER ACCURATE ARE BEING AT, UH, BEING, UM, TELEMATICS. OH, SO THEY, THE, THE D YOU KNOW, THE CAR MANUFACTURERS COLLECT THAT DATA AND IF THEY MAKE THAT DATA AVAILABLE BLIND, SO YOU COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MY CAR WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, HERE TO HERE AND IT TELLS YOU HOW FAR, HOW FAST IT TRAVELED AND WHETHER IT WAS ELECTRIC OR GAS. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO 'CAUSE YOU GET LIKE SUPER ACCURATE DATA. NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH OUR, UH, DIRECTOR PLANNING CHRIS BARNEY ABOUT, UM, WITH KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT, UH, RIGHT. THE INDIVIDUAL, THE TRACKING AT A VERY, UH, AT A VERY GRANULAR LEVEL. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PRIVACY CONCERNS. UM, I THINK IT'S BLIND, SO, YOU KNOW, VERY GOOD. IT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD SEE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHO, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. AND I, AND I DO, I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THAT DATA IS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS THAT'S BEEN ATTEMPTING TO DO SOME OF THAT WITH, UM, UM, CELL PHONE, UM, DATA. TRUE. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILDING IT DIRECTLY INTO THE CAR NOW. SO, YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE GHG INVENTORY VERSUS THE INDICATORS. UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE CONCEPT OF THE INVENTORY AND THE DIFFERENT LAWS AND PROTOCOLS THAT, THAT ARE TIED TO, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M LESS SKEPTICAL OR, YOU KNOW, VIEW THAT AS SORT OF SOMETHING THAT DOES EXIST. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ELEVATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE INDICATORS. YEAH, I GUESS, UM, AND IN PARTICULAR TO ECHO WHAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SREB SAID ABOUT THE GAS, UM, SALES SPECIFICALLY AS AN IMPORTANT INDICATOR. YOU KNOW, THIS HASN'T COME TO PETALUMA YET, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IN SANTA ROSA AND IN WINDSOR, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BACKSLIDING ON THEIR GAS BANS SPECIFICALLY FOR TAX REASONS. AND SO THE IMPORTANCE OF AN INDICATOR IS THAT YOU COULD TIE POLICIES TO THAT IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE COUNTING ARENA NUMBERS. AND IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING ARENA NUMBERS, THEN YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING. WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT THAT MECHANISM RELATIVE TO GAS SALES BECAUSE IF WINDSOR BACKSLIDES FOR TAX REVENUES, THEY'RE CRUSHING OUR COUNTY OBJECTIVES. AND SO WE CANNOT HAVE TA THE TAX SALES OF GASOLINE BE AN INCENTIVE FOR POLICY DECISIONS. AND SO THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT INDICATOR THAT AGAIN, IS A COROLLARY TO THE ACTUAL [00:35:01] EMISSIONS, BUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TRACKED METICULOUSLY SO THAT POLICY DECISIONS CAN BE BASED AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MEGA GAS STATION POTENTIAL IN PETALUMA. WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT SORT OF BEATING THAT BACK ALREADY. UM, BUT THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT LEADERSHIP POSITION AND ECHO THAT THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE JURISDICTIONS. UM, I HAD A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION, WHICH IS KIND OF TIED TO THAT, BUT I'VE NOW HEARD ABOUT THE VMT MITIGATION BANK FOR YEARS. MM-HMM . I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THAT, AND IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT. IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS SOUNDED VERY ALLURING, BUT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME ALWAYS SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, ON THE HORIZON. I MUST APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OF THAT ONE. UM, I DO KNOW IN OUR MOBILIZATION STRATEGY, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO CREATE A VMT BANK. UH, THAT PROPOSAL WAS TAKEN AND WORKED ON AGAIN BY CHRIS BARNEY AND OUR PLANNING TEAM. AND THEY'VE DEVELOPED, UM, THERE IS SOMETHING SIMILAR BUT NOT IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE PROPOSE THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. I APOLOGIZE THOUGH. I DON'T HAVE THOSE THAT, THAT INFORMATION ON MY, ON MY FINGERTIPS. UH, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT BACK, UM, THROUGH, UH, PATRICK AND DEB TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT INFO. SO YEAH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE A LOT OF OUR ZONING CONVERSATIONS AND PLANNING CONVERSATIONS ARE TIED TO VMT AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T QUITE HAVE THE MECHANISM TO LIKE INCENTIVIZE THAT TYPE OF VMT MITIGATION IN A FORMAL WAY. AND SO THAT AT LEAST SEEMED TO ME TO BE AN ALLURING WAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE OYSTER COVE WHEN THEY SORT OF VOLUNTARILY LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE GARAGES, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HUGE MOTIVATOR. UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF INCENTIVES THAT COULD BE TIED TO THOSE SORT OF PLANNING DECISIONS EARLY ON, LIKE THE MORE HOUSING WE CAN BUILD WITHOUT GARAGES, LIKE THE MUCH BETTER OFF WE WILL BE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, YET THERE AREN'T THE MECHANISMS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO POINT THOSE DECISIONS IN SUCH A FORMAL WAY. UM, AND THEN I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION, AND THIS IS SORT OF, UM, ALWAYS A PERENNIAL, LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO THIS NEXT, BUT THE, UM, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO AFTER THE MITIGATION ADAPTATION. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS EXACTLY TRUE OF THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AND ALSO SEEMS RELATIVELY TRUE OF THE COUNTY EFFORTS, IS 90 PLUS PERCENT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON MITIGATION, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY 99%. UM, AND YET IT IS NUMBER TWO OF THREE THAT YOU MENTIONED. YET, YOU KNOW, WE AT LEAST AT THE CITY LEVEL HAVE VERY LITTLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, AND I DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND IT IS IMPORTANT AND POSSIBLY MORE IMPORTANT TO ELEVATE THAT. UM, AND I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE ADAPTATION PIECE OF IT. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE INVENTORY, BUT WHAT IS THE SITUATION ON THE ADAPTATION COMPONENT OF THIS? UH, THE LITTLE BIT THAT I CAN, UM, CAN I SHARE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS, UM, YES, ACKNOWLEDGING IT IS OFTEN A THE FORGOTTEN STEPCHILD. UH, WITH THE MAJORITY OF OUR FOCUS HISTORICALLY BEING ON CLIMATE MITIGATION AND BRINGING DOWN GREENHOUSE GASES, UM, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS I HAVE OBSERVED THE USE OF THE TERM ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCE BEING USED INTERCHANGEABLY. SO IT'S A QUESTION IN MY MIND, UM, THAT I'M TRYING TO ANSWER FOR MYSELF, ARE THOSE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS? IS ADAPTATION RESILIENCE THE SAME THING? UM, AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON NOW, UH, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND WITH, UH, TANYA, UH, ABOUT POTENTIAL EFFORTS TO TRY TO BRING TOGETHER A GREATER EFFORT AND A GREATER VIEW ON ADAPTATION EFFORTS. UH, THAT IS A VERY STRONG DESIRE, I BELIEVE, OF, UM, UM, AT LEAST ONE OF OUR, UH, COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OUR DIRECTORS, UH, WANTING TO REALLY FOCUS ON KIND OF ADAPTATION AND THINKING ABOUT THE ON THE GROUND IMPACTS. AND HERE IN SONOMA COUNTY, I THINK IT CENTERS DOWN, A LOT OF IT IS, UM, GONNA BE FOCUSED ON EXTREME HEAT. UM, WE'RE SEEING THAT JUST THIS WEEK, UH, WITH THE, THE HOT HUMID TEMPERATURES. UM, A LOT OF THAT HERE. UM, AND THEN AS THINKING ABOUT, UH, ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN AROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WANTING TO APPLAUD THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE HERE IN PETALUMA BY RELIEF PETALUMA OF PLANTING, UM, SHADE TREES AND THINKING ABOUT FROM A PROACTIVE ASPECT OF ACTIONS LIKE [00:40:01] THAT, THAT ARE BEING DONE NOW THAT WILL PROVIDE BENEFITS 10, 20, 50 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. UM, SO I THINK IN MY MIND THERE'S A HUGE EFFORT AROUND, OR A HUGE OPPORTUNITY AROUND ADAPTATION, AND I VERY MUCH HEAR YOU THAT THAT'S, UM, I THINK A NEEDS TO BE AN INCREASED AREA OF FOCUS, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE ON THE GROUND IMPACTS OF WEIRD WEATHER, HIGHER TEMPERATURES, EXTREME STORMS, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE IMPACT, THAT'S WHAT IMPACTS PEOPLE. THE FACT OF THEIR FURNACE IS GIVING OFF INVISIBLE GASES KIND OF IRRELEVANT TO, TO THE MAJORITY OF JUST RESIDENTS. UM, SO, UM, DEFINITELY I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK ADAPTATION IS A, UM, IS A HUGE GROWTH AREA. UM, AND THERE'S, IN MY MIND THIS QUESTION OF ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCE. ARE THOSE A SPECTRUM OR IS THAT JUST KIND OF INTERCHANGEABLE WORDS? SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS MADE ON SEQUESTRATION? AH, LET'S SEE. THE MAJORITY OF WORK THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, WITH SEQUESTRATION HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON A LOT OF WORK THROUGH THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. AND, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY THE ENTITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE THE BEST RELATIONSHIP AND KIND OF DIRECT ON THE, UH, KIND OF WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH A LOT OF THE ACTUAL AG PRODUCERS. UH, THERE WAS A LARGE GRANT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR RECEIVED AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY RESCINDED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USDA FUNDS THAT WAS INTENDED TO REALLY LOOK AT IMPROVING, UM, CROP PRACTICES. AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND, UM, UM, COMPOST APPLICATION ON FARMLAND ACROSS THE COUNTY. UH, THOSE EFFORTS, THERE WAS A LARGE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL MULTI-PARTNER EFFORT THAT GOT STARTED, HAD TO GET SCALED BACK. UM, THE RULES FOR THAT PROGRAM HAVE BEEN CHANGED. AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY'S, UM, UM, KIND OF THE, THE CLIMATE TEAM WITHIN THE COUNTY'S, THE CIO'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW, CEO'S OFFICE IS I THINK DECIDING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE RESTRICTED PROGRAM IS WORTH APPLYING FOR AGAIN. AND SO I THINK THAT IS A CALCULATION'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UM, A LOT OF THAT IS REALLY BASED AROUND COMPOST APPLICATION. I THINK THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY AS WELL FOR, UH, URBAN TREE RESTORATION, URBAN CANOPY RESTORATION, AND OTHER KIND OF FOREST LAND PROTECTION. UM, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK THAT I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED HAS REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THE COMPOSTING, AND IT'S TIED ALSO IN WITH, UH, THE EFFORTS OF ZERO WASTE SONOMA AND THE, UM, UM, THE ATTEMPT TO GET ORGANICS OUT OF THE WASTE STREAM, BECAUSE THEN THOSE CAN BE COMPOSTED. SO, UH, QUICK, UH, CLARIFICATION. YEAH. UM, ON, ON THE SLIDE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION, WHEN IT WAS BROKEN DOWN, THERE WAS ON-ROAD AND OFF-ROAD TRANSPORTATION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, LIKE OFF-ROAD, I SAW THAT WAS ALSO GOING UP. UM, WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE OFF-ROAD TRANSPORTATION THAT'S BEING REFERRED TO HERE? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A SEPARATE SLIDE FOR LIKE AGRICULTURAL, UH, USE, SO MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT. CAN WE BRING UP, IT'S SLIDE NINE. CAN WE JUST BRING IT UP SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT? YEAH, THANKS. I'M RUNNING, UH, IN MY MEMORY, I'M RUNNING THROUGH THIS SPREADSHEET AS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN OFF-ROAD TRANSPORTATION , UH, THAT I BELIEVE CAPTURES THINGS LIKE ATVS, OFF-ROAD VEHICLES. IT CAPTURES THE GROUND SERVICE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING USED AT AIRPORTS. UM, IT'S BEING SI THINK LANDSCAPE SALES, LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT. IT'S REALLY CAPTURING, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS ANYTHING THAT'S BEING PURCHASED WITH FOSSIL FUEL, FOSSIL FUEL SOURCES THAT ARE TAXED DIFFERENTLY OR NOT TAXED. AND I DON'T, I FORGET THE, THERE'S BLUE DIESEL, RED DIESEL, THERE'S DIFFERENT TAXING MECHANISMS AROUND. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT IT MAY BE THAT IF IT'S BEING SOLD FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES AT A REGULAR PUMP, WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT GOES TO AN ON-ROAD VEHICLE AND THAT IT'S, THAT THOSE OFF-ROAD IS MUCH MORE OF KIND OF THE FARM EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S A DESIRE I CAN PROVIDE DETAILED THE KIND OF THE DETAILED LIST OF JUST KIND OF WHAT ARE THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND STUFF. SO. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION? HI. SO YEAH. UM, SWITCHING TOPICS A LITTLE BIT AS A, UM, YOUTH MEMBER, I'M NOT GONNA LIE, I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO SEE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, I GUESS I KNEW A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW, UM, LIKE LARGE THE NUMBER OF LIKE TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS THERE WERE AND LIKE BUILDINGS AS WELL. BUT I NEVER REALIZED LIKE, WHOA, IT'S 85%, YOU KNOW? AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, LIKE HAVE YOU [00:45:01] EVER THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE, SPEAKING AND LIKE PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION TO SCHOOLS OR LIKE MAKING THESE RESOURCES A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO STUDENTS? THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. I THINK OUR STAFF SPECIFICALLY AT OUR AGENCY IS PROBABLY NOT THE, UH, UH, THE, THE BEST MESSENGER OR THE ONE THAT, LIKE OUR STAFF IS NOT THE ONES TO GO OUT AND DO THAT. WE DO PARTNER, UM, WITH SOME AGENCIES THAT I DO KNOW, UM, GO OUT AND, AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. UH, I'M AWARE THAT BOTH, UM, SONOMA WATER AND SONOMA CLEAN POWER HAVE ACTIVE KIND OF, UM, UH, SCHOOL, UH, BASED PROGRAMS, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COVERED IN THOSE SPECIFICALLY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OF THAT EFFORT IS TRYING TO GET OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING KIND OF OUR ROLE AS A, AS A COUNTYWIDE AGENCY MOST OF THE TIME IS KIND OF JURISDICTION TO JURISDICTION COORDINATION. UM, AND THEN, UM, KIND OF FIGURING OUT HOW WE GET THAT ON THE GROUND MESSAGE OUT, ESPECIALLY TO SCHOOLS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S KINDA, UM, THAT'S NOT OUR SPECIALTY. SO, YEAH. I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE. UH, THE SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL PROGRAM, UH, IS IN ALMOST EVERY ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS HERE IN PETALUMA. UH, AND THAT PROGRAM STARTS BY TEACHING KIDS THE IMPORTANCE OF RIDING A BIKE AND THE VALUE OF THAT, AND THAT'S ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. UM, THERE ARE OTHER ME MEANS MODES OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION SHIFT MODE SHIFT AS IT RELATES TO TAKING A BUS, UH, RIDING THE TRAIN. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE ALL PART OF THE, UH, THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO DO THAT TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE STUDENTS TO FIND ALTERNATIVE WAYS RATHER THAN GETTING IN A CAR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A COUPLE. UM, I GUESS ONE OF THEM IS A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS ARE REALLY DISCOURAGING , LIKE, LIKE PETALUMA PETALUMA'S OVERALL IS, UH, IT WAS, IF 1990 WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT, 2024 WAS 99.7% FOR LIKE THE OVERALL, FOR LIKE AN 80% GOAL. I KNOW YOU SAID THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE WAS NOT THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST REALLY DISCOURAGING TO ME. UM, BUT I, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UH, WHAT, SO YOU GUYS HAVE THIS, THESE GOALS, THIS 80% GOAL AND THE 20% SEQUESTRATION GOAL. WHAT ARE THE GREATEST CHALLENGES IN ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS? MAYBE YOU'RE MORE A DATA ON THE DATA SIDE, BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE HAVING MEETINGS WITH EVERYBODY. I THINK THERE'S A HOST OF ISSUES. IF I COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND, OF COURSE. MM-HMM . THERE ARE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, NOT JUST FOR OUR AGENCY, BUT FOR POSITIONS LIKE CLIMATE ACTION MANAGERS FOR POSITIONS AT ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS. A NUMBER OF THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE THOSE. UM, BUT NOT EVERYBODY. UM, WE'VE ALSO SEEN FROM A RESOURCES AND STAFFING WE'VE SEEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 10 YEARS, UM, THE COUNTY STAFFED UP A HUGE CLIMATE TEAM AND FUNDING KIND OF CHANGED AND THEY'VE DEST STAFFED THAT TEAM NOW. SO THERE'S KIND OF HIGH ASPIRATIONS AND THEN KIND OF THE REALITY OF THE FUNDING. UM, SO I THINK A LOT OF IT IS FUNDING AND RESOURCES. UH, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER MAJOR, UH, JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE DEVELOPMENT OF JUST, UM, UM, KIND OF THE POLICY ISSUES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, STATE LEVEL IS NOT MAKING THIS AN EASY REALM TO WORK ON AND TO WORK IN AND TO LIKE REALLY GR UH, GET, UM, UM, A LOT OF TRACTION. UM, AND THEN I THINK, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE COMMENT THAT JUST CAME UP A MINUTE AGO, A HUGE PORTION OF IT, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT OUR SPECIALTY, BUT A HUGE PORTION OF MOVING THE NEEDLE IS ON THAT COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH, YEAH. INVOLVEMENT ACTION SIDE. WE DO HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS, UH, DIRECTOR AND A, A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S JUST BEEN HIRED PART-TIME TO HELP HIM AND ASSIST WITH KIND OF COUNTYWIDE MESSAGING. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WITH THINKING ABOUT INNOVATIVE WAYS TO INSPIRE ACTION AT THE GROUND LEVEL IS I THINK PART OF THAT MISSING COMBINATION. UM, THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE A NETWORKED EFFORT, COUNTYWIDE EFFORTS, LOCAL EFFORTS, UM, AND KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT IN THE SHORT TERM. A HUGE AMOUNT OF OF IT IS, I THINK, UM, RESOURCES AND FUNDING. AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO INCREASE BASELINE FUNDING KIND OF FOR JUST GENERAL LEVEL STAFF, UH, OUR OFFICE IS REALLY FOCUSING IN ON KIND OF, UH, INSTEAD THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION PROJECTS THAT JURISDICTIONS LIKE PETALUMA AND OTHERS MAY HAVE THAT [00:50:01] THEY WANT TO GET FUNDED. THINKING ABOUT COLLABORATIVE FUNDING APPLICATIONS THAT CAN BE PUT IN, THAT'S MORE OF A PROJECT SPECIFIC. AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE WANT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS ISSUE HERE AT THIS LOCATION AND WANNA PUT IN, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS THERE. AND THEN IT BECOMES MORE OF A, A GRANT PROPOSAL. YEAH. SO THAT KIND OF GETS INTO MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION, WHICH IS, IF YOU HAD THE FUNDING, WHAT IS IT THAT WOULD BE USEFUL? I MEAN, PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY, BUT LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING GIVEN, UM, AND I'LL SPEAK MOSTLY ON THE BUILDING ENERGY SIDE. TRANSPORTATION IS A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS FOR THAT. A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE WANTING TO GO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO AT THE MOMENT THAT THEY WANT TO GO. AND SO THERE'S THE TRANSPORTATION, I THINK IT'S ITS OWN REALM WITHIN THE BUILDING ENERGY SIDE. OUR OTHER MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE NEED FOR, UH, ONE-ON-ONE ASSISTANCE WITH HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES TO TALK THROUGH PLANNING EFFORTS, UM, TO THINK ABOUT YOUR HOT WATER HEATER MAY HAVE ANOTHER 10 YEARS. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN IT BURNS OUT OR MAY HAVE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN IT BURNS OUT? WHEN IT BURNS OUT? THERE'S, UM, MOST PROBABLY WILL BE NEW BAY AREA AIR DISTRICT RULES THAT WILL IMPACT THAT AND WHAT CAN COME BACK AND WHAT CAN BE INSTALLED THINKING THOSE, UH, I THINK THINKING THOSE, UH, ISSUES THROUGH ON A BUILDING BY BUILDING BASIS SO THAT A LOT OF THIS TRANSITION CAN BE MORE OF A PLANNED EFFORT AS OPPOSED TO, UM, A HOT WATER HEATER OR FURNACE BURNING OUT AND THEN BASICALLY JUST NEEDING TO CALL UP THE CL THE NEAREST, THE, THE, THE FASTEST CONTRACTOR WITH THE CHEAPEST PRICE. 'CAUSE YOU'VE, YOU DON'T HAVE HEAT, RIGHT? SO I THINK A LOT OF IT IS, UH, AND PERSPECTIVE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS A LOT OF IT IS THAT INDIVIDUALIZED PLANNING ON A HOUSEHOLD BY HOUSEHOLD BASIS. UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT THAT I, AND I THINK OTHERS ARE LOOKING FOR, BUT NOT COMING UP WITH AN EASY ANSWER FOR, IS THINKING ABOUT, UH, LARGER SCALE ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES. UM, AND AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FORMATION OF SONOMA CLEAN POWER AND SONOMA WATER'S ZERO CARBON, UM, PROGRAM, HUGE MAJOR EFFORTS THAT SEEMED DRAMATICALLY IN OUR GRAPHS WAS ONE AGENCY TAKING TOP TO BOTTOM ACTION ACROSS EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR DOMAIN. UM, AND WITHIN TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE OTHER REALMS. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S ARE SOME OF THOSE OTHER, UM, KIND LARGE SCALE EFFORTS THAT COULD BE TAKEN ON JUST A SINGLE EFFORT, EVEN IF IT'S COMPLICATED AND COMPLEX, BUT COULD, UH, REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE. UM, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT SUGGESTION FOR THAT, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY THOUGHTS GO. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, INTERESTING ANGLE THAT BUSINESSES ACTUALLY CAN HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH MOVING THIS FORWARD. YEAH. UM, OKAY. ANY FINAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES. UM, JUST ON, UH, OUR AIRPORTS, MORE AND MORE AIRPLANES ARE SHOWING UP AND LEAVING. UH, IS THE AIRPORT AND PLANES ANY, UH, PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION NUMBERS? I KNOW I COULDN'T GET THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE MEETING WITHOUT MENTIONING AIRPORTS. I MENTIONED IT FIRST. UM, SO OUR INVENTORY CALCULATES, UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER AS PART OF THE OFF ROAD WE CALCULATOR OR WE, WE LOOK AT THE, UH, GROUND SERVICE EQUIPMENT. WE CALCULATE, WE CAPTURE THE ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS USE, UM, FOR AIRPORT FACILITIES. WE DO NOT TRY TO TRACK OR DO ANY CALCULATIONS BASED AROUND ACTUAL AIRPLANES COME HERE GOING IN THE FUEL USED FOR THOSE AIRPLANES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, THAT IS KIND OF AN OPTIONAL SCOPE THAT IS INCLUDED IN SOME INVENTORIES. OUR AGENCY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, GOING BACK TO THE VERY FIRST, UH, UH, UH, INVENTORY THAT WAS DONE IN 2012, UH, MR HAS MADE A DECISION TO TO SET AIRPORT AIR TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY KIND OF OFF TO THE SIDE AND NOT IT IS, UH, AND NOT INCLUDE THAT IN OUR INVENTORY. AND REALLY THE MAIN RATIONALE IS THAT WE DON'T, EVEN THOUGH THE AIRPORTS ARE OFTEN OWNED BY PUBLIC ENTITIES OR MUNICIPAL ENTITIES, WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OVER THOSE OPERATIONS AT THOSE AIRPORTS IN A FASHION WHERE WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER THINGS WITHIN PUBLIC BUILDINGS, THINGS WITHIN MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS OR DIRECT OUTREACH TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, LOCAL RESIDENTS, PROGRAMS THAT RUN FOR LOCAL KIND OF ON THE GROUND, UH, LOCAL, LOCAL PEOPLE. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF, BECAUSE AIRPORTS ARE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE, WE CAN'T TURN ANY KNOBS, WE CAN'T TURN ANY LEVERS, UM, THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE NOT INCLUDED IN THE INVENTORY. [00:55:01] GOOD. AND THEN, UM, LAST, ONE OF THE, UM, RECENT TALKS KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW JUST HAD A, A, A WEBINAR, UH, WITH AN EXPERT COMING IN. AND THE BASE COMMENTS WAS, UH, DON'T LOOK AT BUILDINGS AND TRANSPORTATION AS SEPARATE THINGS BUT AS ONE THING TOGETHER. AND THAT, UH, UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY THE, THE NEW BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IF WE CAN GET TRANSPORT BASED BUILDINGS, UM, UH, BUILT THAT, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT 35% TO 50% COST OF, OF INCOME GOING TOWARD THE ACTUAL, UH, HOUSEHOLD RENT OF SOME SORT, RENT OR MORTGAGE, WHATEVER. AND OVER 20% NOW GOING FOR TRANSPORTATION. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ANYWHERE FROM 55 TO, UH, 70% OF OUR INCOME IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THOSE TWO FACTORS. AND THEY REALLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS ONE FACTOR, NOT TWO SEPARATE THINGS. UM, AND IF THERE WAS WAYS OF LOOKING AT THE DATA DIFFERENTLY AND LOOKING AT HOUSEHOLD, UM, EXPENDITURES, LOOKING AT CREDIT CARDS AS TO HOW MUCH IS GOING TOWARD TRANSPORTATION. 'CAUSE I THINK IN CREDIT CARD DATA MIGHT BE USEFUL. TRANSPORT DOLLARS IN BUYING CARS, BIKES, GASOLINE AND THE SUCH. UM, AND, AND THE HOTEL BILLS, WHICH IS LIKE TRAVEL TYPE THINGS VERSUS UM, UH, THE CREDIT CARDS FOR THE MORTGAGES AND THE LIKE, AND LOOKING AT THAT BALANCE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY OF GROUND TRUTHING, UH, ANY CHANGES IN, IN ACTUAL REAL BEHAVIORS AS WELL AS, UH, UH, COUNTS OF CARS ON THE ROAD, UH, WHETHER IT BE EVS, HYBRIDS OR ON, AND HOW MUCH GAS IS BEING DONE. ANYWAY, SO THOSE ARE THE, I'D LIKE TO JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THOSE CONCEPTS, UH, BEFORE YOU LEAVE. VERY GOOD, THANKS. OKAY. UM, JUST TO WRAP IT UP, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND FOR SHARING THE GOOD WORK THAT EVERYBODY'S DOING. PERFECT. I MAYBE WAS TOO NEGATIVE ABOUT WHAT I SAID. , I AM DISCOURAGED BY THE NUMBERS. I DON'T BLAME THE COUNTY . YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GOOD STUFF GOING ON. THE WATER CONVEYANCE DROPPED TO LIKE 5% OF 1990S. LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY, REALLY GOOD STUFF HAPPENING AND I JUST APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND YOU COMING HERE TO SHARE GREAT. THE RESULTS WITH US. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE, I, I APPRECIATE IT AND I, I MUST, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION DOES AND KIND OF WITHIN THIS REALM AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE, NO, THIS IS NOT, THESE ARE NOT THESE ENCOURAGING EASY TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. SO YEAH, IT DOES TAKE, IT DOES TAKE SOME GRIT AND SOME, UM, AND I GUESS MAYBE THE LAST COMMENT I'LL END ON IS I THINK, AND I'LL WORK WITH PATRICK AND DEB ON THIS. I, UH, WOULD LOVE TO, UM, INVITE TANYA TO COME BACK AND PRESENT TO YOU AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE ON THE MOBILIZATION STRATEGY UPDATE. AND I'LL SEE IF SOME OF THESE THINGS ABOUT INDICATORS AND OTHER NON NON-INVENTORY STATS. OH YEAH, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOME OF THOSE INTO THIS NEXT PIECE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PIECE THAT'S THIS INVENTORY, IT'S RAW NUMBERS, IT'S DRY NUMBERS, THAT, THAT STRATEGY UPDATE IS INTENDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE GROUND REAL WORLD. SO LEMME SEE IF I CAN TAKE SOME OF THESE NOTES AND TALK WITH TANYA. WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO INTEGRATE THEM INTO THAT EFFORT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THEN PATRICK HAD SOMETHING YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I KNOW IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION, SO ANYTIME YOU CAN GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT THERE IS THAT LINK TO THE, UM, SURVEY FOR THE SONOMA CLIMATE MOBILIZATION STRATEGY. UM, AND SO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DIDN'T ARTICULATE IT FULLY HERE AND YOU REALLY WANT TO GET IT IN THERE, GO TO THAT SURVEY, UM, PUT THE INFORMATION IN THERE. UM, 'CAUSE I, I KNOW YOU KIND OF WENT, YOU WENT THROUGH IT, BUT IT KIND OF WENT PRETTY QUICK WHEN EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT THEIR QUESTIONS. SURE. SO THAT SURVEY IS OUT THERE AND PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. UM, OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH. ALRIGHT, NOW WE OPEN IT UP TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS. NO COMMENTS. OKAY. AND DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NONE WERE RECEIVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKIE DOKE. THEN WE'LL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] OF MINUTES. UM, FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF JULY 9TH, 2026, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, THEN CHAIR, ACTUALLY, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD THAT, UM, THERE WERE ERRORS THAT WERE POINTED OUT TO US IN THE, IN THE MINUTES, UH, WHICH WE CORRECTED. THE, THE VERSION THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, UM, HAS THOSE, UH, CORRECTIONS AND IT NOTES THAT IT WAS DONE AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THE VERY SHORTLY AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT'S REFLECTED IN, IN THE OKAY. IN THE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE APPROVED WITH THOSE CHANGES [01:00:01] THAT IMMEDIATELY HAPPENED AFTER THEY WERE SENT OUT. . THANK YOU. UM, UH, LAST, OH [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] NO, NOT LAST ITEM, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, THIS IS THE, SO WE HAD AGENDAS THAT EV AD HOC TO, UM, PRESENT TO US LAST MEETING. AND REALLY WHAT THIS ITEM IS MEANT TO BE IS TO HEAR FROM THE CITY WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. SURE. BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LAST MEETING, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT REPORT. OKAY. UM, WE, UH, TALKED WITH STAFF, UM, ABOUT THE, OR OTHER STAFF WERE STAFFED TOO, UM, ABOUT THE, THE THREE PROGRAMS, UM, THAT WERE SUGGESTED. UM, THE EV INCENTIVE, UM, IN DISCUSSION WITH, WITH FINANCE. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS TIME WITH OUR CURRENT BUDGET SITUATION. UM, AS A REMINDER, WE HAD TO REDUCE OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE BY $2 MILLION IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT FORECASTS THAT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, UH, CUTS IN THE FUTURE. SO UNLESS WE HAD, UM, ADDITIONAL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COUNCIL, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXISTING, UH, APPROPRIATIONS TO, TO MAKE THAT PROGRAM HAPPEN. UM, THE ONE BIT OF GOOD NEWS ON THAT FRONT THAT I CAN, I THINK I MENTIONED LAST TIME, BUT IT'S NOW IN EFFECT AND THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT ONLINE, IS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS THEIR FIRST TIME EV PROGRAM PURCHASE, UM, IS LIVE, THAT'S $3,500 FOR NEW VEHICLES IN A SMALLER AMOUNT, I THINK ABOUT SEVEN, UH, 1750 FOR USED VEHICLES. UM, AND THAT'S FOR SPECIFIC MANUFACTURERS. I UNDERSTAND TESLA WENT THROUGH ALL THEIR ALLOTMENT WITHIN FOUR DAYS. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A TESLA, YOU THAT'S, THERE WON'T BE A, AN INCENTIVE FOR THOSE VEHICLES. BUT THE OTHER MANU PARTICIPATING MANUFACTURERS DO STILL HAVE MONEY IS THE LAST I HEARD. UM, THERE'S A WEBSITE, IT'S, UM, THE AIR RESOURCES BOARDS WEBSITE. IT'S, IT'S CALLED THE MY FIRST EV PROGRAM. SO THE WEBSITE IS WW TWO.ARB.CA.GOV/MY FIRST EV ALL WORD, ONE WORD. IF YOU JUST DO A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR MY FIRST EV CALIFORNIA PROGRAM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL FIND THE DETAILS. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A POINT OF SALE KIND OF PROGRAM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO, UM, ADDITIONAL, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU FILE IT WITH YOUR TAXES. LIKE THE, WITH THE, UM, EARLY VERSION OF THE FEDERAL PROGRAM USED TO BE, UH, THERE'S A SELF ATTESTATION, UM, CERTIFICATION THAT YOU NEED TO DO SAYING IT ACTUALLY IS YOUR FIRST EV. UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS TARGETED AT CONVERTING PEOPLE FROM GAS VEHICLES TO EVS. UM, SO THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE EVS ARE NOT PART OF THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC FOR THIS PROGRAM, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, FOR THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE EVS. UM, SO THAT PROGRAM'S OUT THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE LOOKING AT SOMETHING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, IF IT WAS JUST A, A WAIVER OR A REBATE IN THE AMOUNT OF A, UH, THE LOCAL SALES TAX, IF YOU LOOK AT AN AVERAGE VEHICLE PURCHASE AROUND 50,000 WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $500 REBATE. BUT NOW THE STATE HAS A $3,500 REBATE. SO THAT'S KIND OF A, A, A MUCH BIGGER BITE THAN WE'D BE ABLE TO DO, UH, LOCALLY ANYHOW. SO, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DOWN LOW ON, ON THAT PROGRAM. UM, NOT AT THIS TIME UNFORTUNATELY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A RAPID CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY AND, AND SALES TAX REVENUES START GOING UP, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. DID I SEE THE CHAIR? I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION, BUT IT SLIPPED MY MIND. OKAY. , GO AHEAD. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, INCREASE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE MOVING ON FROM THE FIRST ONE. UM, IF I COULD ASK, I GUESS SO IT WAS NEVER QUITE ABOUT LIKE THE MONEY. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY SEEMS TO BE A REASON NOT TO PURSUE A SALES TAX HOLIDAY SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, WHAT I THINK WAS MAYBE THE BROADER POINT OF THE EFFORT AND REQUEST WAS TO HAVE ELEMENTS OF THE CITY ENGAGE THE DEALERS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEALERS HAVE IN TERMS OF BARRIERS TO SELLING EVS. AND SO THAT REQUEST AND DIRECTION STILL EXISTS. SURE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. SO, UM, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE INFORMATION, LIKE, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF THE CITY JUST PROMOTED OUR WEEKEND? LIKE, [01:05:01] YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT. YES. YES. SO I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT THAT LIKE A TINY BUDGET IS THE BARRIER TO ENGAGING THE DEALERS AROUND HOW DO WE PROMOTE MORE EV SALES FOR THEM POINT TAKEN. AND ABSOLUTELY WE WILL ENGAGE WITH THEM MORE. THEY, WE HEAR FROM THEM WHEN WE PURCHASE VEHICLES, NOT FROM, FROM LOCAL. AND SO IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE A TWO-WAY STREET. LIKE IF THEY WANT OUR BUSINESS, WE WANNA WORK WITH THEM TOO. SO, POINT VERY WELL TAKEN. UH, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. IS THE CITY ALLOWED TO PROMOTE THE STATE'S PROGRAM? LIKE IS THE CITY ALLOWED TO YES. TO BE LIKE, EVERYBODY IN PALOMA SHOULD BE BUYING AN EV RIGHT NOW, AND, AND I BELIEVE, HERE'S THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU WANNA BUY AN EV AND IT'S YOUR FIRST EV, LIKE THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. YES. I BELIEVE WE'VE PUSHED IT OUT IN A COMMUNITY UPDATE. YEP. IT'S ALREADY BEEN SENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, OUR COMMS TEAM. IT DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THIS MOST RECENT ONE BECAUSE THERE WAS A MORE, UH, PRESSING, UH, ELECTRO ELECTRIC LIKE PRIORITY ELECTRIFICATION, UHHUH WORKSHOP COMING, BUT IT WENT OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. UM, SO THEY PUT OUT WHAT THEY CAN, WHERE THEY CAN, AND SO IT HAS BEEN PROMOTED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. UM, WITH MOVING ON TO MULTIFAMILY AND, UM, PROMOTING THAT, UM, THERE IS A COUNTYWIDE PROGRAM, IT'S ACTUALLY THROUGH S-C-T-C-A, UM, UM, THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TO, UM, THERE WAS A, A GRANT, I BELIEVE THAT S-C-T-C-A GOT TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY SITES AND HOW WE CAN PROMOTE, UM, ADDING MORE, IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY ON LEVEL ONE VERSUS LEVEL TWO VERSUS LEVEL THREE, BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, HOW DO WE GET MORE, MORE EVS TO SERVE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC? SO NOT NECESSARILY EVEN ON THE SITE, BUT EVEN ADJACENT TO IT, WHERE IT'S A, A SHORT WALK. UM, FROM THAT, UH, SITES WERE IDENTIFIED AND WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH THE S-C-T-C-A STAFF NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS ON THAT PROJECT. UM, THAT PROJECT DOESN'T COME WITH MONEY, BUT, UM, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT WAYS, UM, OUR, I TALKED WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF. IT'S BEEN REALLY DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH A RAPPORT WITH MULTIFAMILY, UM, MANAGEMENT. UM, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER IN THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU'RE A SITE, YOUR SITE OR A SITE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET OF YOUR SITE HAS BEEN THEN IDENTIFIED. CAN WE WORK WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING YOUR TENANTS WOULD APPRECIATE? AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN? SO THAT'S MOVING FORWARD, ALBEIT A LITTLE BIT SLOWLY AND UNCERTAIN ON THE, THE DESTINATION WE'RE GONNA GET TO. BUT THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT ON THAT ONE. I'LL PAUSE HERE FOR SO COOL. THAT'S SO COOL. I MEAN, YOU'RE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY IS A HUGE WIN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND LIKE, JUST LIKE, IT'S LIKE HURTING CATS OR EVEN SOMETHING CRAZIER, YOU KNOW? SO LIKE THAT'S A HUGE WIN. YOU KNOW, I I WILL SAY I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT JUST FOR US, LIKE IT'S A COUNTYWIDE THING, SO I KNOW OTHER CITIES ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S EVEN BETTER. LIKE, WE WANT EVERYBODY GETTING THE SAME INFORMATION AND WORKING IN THE SAME WAY. SO APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. I ALSO UNDERSTAND, UH, BOTH THE BAY RENT AND THE STATE ARE, ARE LOOKING IN THAT, MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION ALSO IS WHAT I'VE, I SAW FROM A COUPLE WEBINARS. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UM, THIS IDEA OF EV CHARGING HUBS AND GETTING, UM, MORE RESOURCES AT PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE AGGREGATING. UM, THERE IS THE NORTH STATION MASTER PLAN PROCESS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UM, SO THAT'S FOR THE PENMAN NORTH STATION, UM, UM, ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN. UM, THERE IS THE, UH, FAIR GRAND'S MASTER PLAN PROCESS THAT IS ALSO KICKED OFF. UM, BOTH OF THOSE ENCOURAGE AND, AND WE REALLY WANT A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THOSE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE INVOLVED AT THOSE SITES AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE OF THEM? NORTH STATION, YOU KNOW, MAY POTENTIALLY INVOLVE ANNEXATION IN THE FUTURE? UM, IT'S, IT'S A HUB HAVING THAT, YOU, YOU, WE SEE THAT, THAT, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A SMART STATION, THERE ARE LOTS OF AMENITIES THAT COME THERE. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE AGGREGATE AND HOW DO WE BEST, UM, YOU KNOW, PLAN FOR THE USE OF, OF THE LAND AROUND THERE. UM, SO THOSE PROCESSES ARE BOTH GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE AS STAFF ARE PROMOTING THE IDEAS THAT WE HEAR FROM HERE. UM, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ATTEND THOSE AND, AND PROVIDE THEIR, THEIR CONTEXT AND THEIR WISHLIST TO THOSE AS WELL. BUT [01:10:01] SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN PROCESS, WE'VE ADVOCATED FOR THE INCLUSION OF PG E AND SONOMA CLAIM POWER TO BE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE FAIRGROUNDS PROCESS, SPECIFICALLY FROM A MICROGRID EV CHARGING HUB, UM, KIND OF FEASIBILITY PERSPECTIVE. UM, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY, IT HAS HUGE POTENTIAL, UM, TO DO A LOT OF GOOD FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, WE HAVE A, A $1.2 MILLION GRANT WHERE WE'RE STUDYING, UM, THE FEASIBILITY WHERE IT'S GONNA RESULT IN A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF THE USES FOR THAT SITE. SO IT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT INTO THAT, BUT ALSO A COMMUNITY RESILIENCE CENTER, UM, CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT. AND WE'RE WORKING ACTIVELY AS WE SPEAK, WELL, NOT LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK, BUT, UH, I WAS WORKING ON IT EARLIER TODAY. UH, ANOTHER GRANT, UM, TO, WITH THE STRATEGIC CALIFORNIA STRATEGIC GROWTH COUNCIL TO POTENTIALLY BUILD THE COMMUNITY RE UH, RESILIENCE CENTER FOR THAT. SO ONE GRANT'S HELPING US PLAN IT, THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE HELPING US BUILD IT. UM, WE STILL NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE EXPECTING TO DO THAT AT THE, UM, SEPTEMBER 28TH MEETING. UM, SO A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE, UH, RELATED TO THOSE HUBS. UM, AND THE MORE ADVOCACY THAT GOES INTO HAVING THOSE CHARGING HUBS, HAVING THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AT THOSE SITES, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS TO BE INCLUDED. BUT STAFF IS AN ADVOCATE, UM, FOR, FOR THOSE AS WELL. SO THAT'S MY UPDATE THERE. GREAT. REAL QUICK, CAN YOU GUYS LET US KNOW WHEN THOSE MEETINGS ARE IS PLANNING MEETINGS? IF, IF YOU COULD LIKE SHOOT US IN EMAIL, WE CAN, WE CAN SEND AN EMAIL. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT TO GET ON THOSE LISTS. SO WE COULD PUT 'EM ON OUR CALENDARS AND ATTEND IF WE'RE AVAILABLE. , MASTER PLAN AND THE NORTH STATION. AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, WE CAN ALSO WRITE, WRITE IN. AND SO IF WE WERE WRITING, WOULD WE WRITE THE COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING? UM, IT, IT'S BEING MANAGED BY OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, BUT I'LL I'LL IN THAT, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE AND WHO YOU CAN SEND YOUR COMMENTS TO. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THERE'S INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE, BUT I DON'T WANNA MISQUOTE IT ON THE FLY RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BUT I'LL, I'LL DEFINITELY EMAIL YOU ALL. THANK YOU. UM, JUST, UH, SOME INFORMATION TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU. I JUST RECENTLY GOT, UM, SOME EMAILS FROM, UM, THE OWNER OF WHAT USED TO BE THE, UH, MOTORCYCLE, UM, SALES BUILDING RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF PETAL BOULEVARD AND, UM, UM, INDUSTRIAL DRIVE THERE. AND, AND SO IT'S BASICALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE AN EMPTY LOT, WHICH IS MOSTLY GRAVEL AND A SINGLE BUILDING THAT'S BEEN EMPTY NOW FOR A WHILE. I THINK KB UM, MOTORSPORTS WAS IN THERE EARLIER THAT'S MOVED DOWN, DOWN, UH, UH, DOWN PEDAL AND BALLARD. ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, UM, AND HE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL AND SAID, OH, THIS IS, I WANNA ACTUALLY BUILD HERE. IT'S A FLOODWAY AND I STILL WANNA BUILD HERE, AND THIS MIGHT BE STILL APPROPRIATE, WHATEVER. BUT ANYWAY, UM, WHAT HE SENT ME WAS A PLAN. AND I THOUGHT, OH, BUILDING, NO, IT, IT WASN'T A BUILDING. IT WAS ACTUALLY A MULTI, UM, LIKE 10 TO 20 SPOTS FOR FAST CHARGING OF EVS SO THAT YOU GO OFF THE FREEWAY, YOU COME IN, YOU FAST CHARGE A VEHICLE, AND THEN YOU GET BACK ON THE FREEWAY AND GO. SO BASICALLY IT LOOKED LIKE A, UH, INSTEAD OF A GAS STATION, IT WOULD BE A EV CHARGING STATION FOR MULTIPLE CARS, UH, FOR FAST CHARGING. AND THAT'S WHAT HE, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE WHEN, UH, ON HIS PROPOSAL. BUT IT'S GONNA BE IN AN AREA THAT'S LIKE QUESTIONABLE FOR FLOODWAY. UM, SO THERE'S NOW, SO I'M JUST SHOWING YOU AS AN INTEREST IN, IN, IN TAKING A SPOT THAT'S RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY ENTRANCE AND EXIT, UM, TURNING IT INTO AN EV CHARGE STATION AREA. SO INSTEAD OF A GAS STATION, YOU HAVE ELECTRIC CHARGING STATION. SO THAT, THAT AS RUNNING IT AS A BUSINESS JUST LIKE A GAS STATION WOULD. ANYWAY, THAT WAS THAT. SO I SEE THAT AS, AS A, AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT AREA MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT SPOT TO DO IT. BUT THE MORE WE CAN, IF WE, WE CAN START SHIFTING MAYBE SOME OF OUR GAS STATIONS THAT ARE NEARBY RIGHT THERE TO THAT, UH, MODEL, UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE. THAT'S ALL PART OF THE NORTH STATION, UM, MASTER PLAN. I'M NOT SURE IF IT, THAT THOSE CONCEPTS ARE EVEN INCLUDED AT THIS POINT TO TRY TO GET THE EV CHARGING STATIONS, UM, SIMILAR TO A GAS STATION THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE FREEWAY IN, UH, OFF AND ON RAMPS. AND WE JUST THOUGHT, AS A THOUGHT WE NEED TO, WHAT DO WE PROMOTE? HOW DO WE SUPPORT, UM, DO WE GO TO BAT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT? THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? WE OKAY. UH, [COMMISSION COMMENT] THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION COMMENT. DURING COMMISSION COMMENT, MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. [01:15:01] DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UH, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BEGIN THE COMMISSION COMMENT? I GUESS I JUST GO OVER, UH, A RECENT THING ABOUT, UM, A AI AND DATA CENTERS. UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU'VE NOTICED IN THE NEWS, IT'S A VERY HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW. UH, THAT'S BEEN GOING THE LAST FEW MONTHS. AND SO, UM, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL THAT I, I PUT TOGETHER WITH, WITH ALEX TO, UM, PUT LIKE A MORATORIUM ON IT. AT LEAST HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION. AND SO WE DID GET A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, AND THAT'S ALL I WAS SEEKING IS WHERE WE'RE AT. UM, AND THE OUTCOME IS WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING LIKE A MORATORIUM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING SINCE WE'RE ALREADY IN OUR ZONING AND OUR ORDINANCES LEVELS, UH, TRYING TO DO WORK THERE. SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO SOME SORT OF MORATORIUM LIKE SOME OTHER CITIES, EVEN NAPA COUNTY IS PUTTING IT FORWARD AND OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES ARE TRYING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. JUST AS A, UH, TO PREEMPT WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING, UM, DOWN THERE IN HAYWOOD AND GILROY, UM, AREA, UH, THERE'S LIKE THREE DATA CENTERS GOING THAT ARE BEING, UH, UM, CON BIT CONTROVERSIAL. THE PUBLIC DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING. SO ANYWAY, THE OUTCOME IS OUR STAFF IS ON IT. THEY, THEY DID VISIT WITH THE TWO DATA CENTERS THAT I, I SUGGESTED MIGHT, MIGHT BE CLASSIFIED BY GOOGLE AS DATA CENTERS, BUT THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT DEFINITION THAT GOOGLE USES AI USES COMPARED TO WHAT A REAL DATA CENTER IS, WHAT WE THINK IT IS. SO, UM, SO NOW THE, OUR STAFF, UM, IS NOW WORKING ON WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF AN AI CENTER AND TRY TO PUT IN NUMBERS WHAT THE ATTEMPT IS. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY USING, UH, SERVER ROOMS, LARGE SERVER ROOMS, BUT THERE ARE TECHNOLOGY BASED, UH, BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE LOTS OF SERVICES TO US LOCALLY. AND ALSO TAX DOLLARS TO US LOCALLY. BUT, BUT AT THE OTHER SIDE, UM, KIND OF CUTTING OUT THE VERY LARGE DATA CENTERS WHICH MAY COME DOWN IN SIZE EVENTUALLY, UH, AS, AS COMPUTERS HAVE OVER TIME. ANYWAY, THAT'S BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST DID A QUICK VISIT JUST THE OTHER NIGHT WITH, UH, SOME OF THE STAFF. UM, I'M JUST KIND OF NAILING DOWN. WE NEED, THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS DEFINITION AND RIGHT NOW THE DEFINITION THAT THEY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST LAST WEEK WAS, UH, 10,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND I WASN'T SURE IF THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT REFERRED TO THE BUILDING TO THE ROOM, TO THE SERVER FOOTPRINT, UH, TYPE THING. SO, UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE WORKED ON. AND, UH, SO WE WANNA LOOK AT, DO WE WANNA BRING THAT TOPIC IN THE FUTURE HERE AS TO, UM, WHAT IS A TECHNOLOGY COMPANY VERSUS WHAT IS AN AI DATA CENTER? AT LEAST HAVE THAT DEFINITION. LET'S HAVE A REVIEW OF IT BECAUSE OF THE ENERGY AND WATER THAT'S BEING USED BY THE VERY LARGE ONES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO, UM, SUGGEST THAT COUNCIL PUSH THIS TOWARD THE COUNTY OR NOT AS A TOPIC THAT, THAT THE COUNTY REALLY NEEDS TO LOOK AT. 'CAUSE OUR COUNTY HAS THE LAND THAT'S VACANT, NO CROPS, CROPS ARE LEAVING. AND, UM, AND ESPECIALLY OUR COUNTY, BUT ALSO LAKE COUNTY AND MENDOCINO COUNTIES, UM, I'M SURE ARE BEING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW FOR POSSIBLE SITES. AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA ENCOURAGE OR DISCOURAGE AT THIS POINT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL FOR AG LANDS. UM, 'CAUSE I ALSO WOULD LIKE AG AND OPEN SPACE. I'D LIKE TO DO SOME PROTECTION OF OUR AG LANDS OUT THERE. AND JUST AS A TOPIC TO CONSIDER DOWN THE ROAD HERE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA TAKE IT ON OR, UM, BE ABLE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AROUND IT OR NOT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENTS? UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE SAFETY CENTER, THE NEW SAFETY CENTER GOING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND SO THAT'S SOLAR READY, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE SOLAR BUILT IN. UM, I JUST CURIOUS IF IT'S GONNA HAVE A, LIKE A, THE METERING, THERE'S LIKE A, A WAY TO METER INCREMENTAL METERING DEVICE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF HOW MUCH ENERGY IS BEING USED IN INCREMENTS OF, I THINK IT'S 15 MINUTES. AND IF WE COULD GET, MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS INS. I COULDN'T SEE IF THAT WAS GONNA BE INSTALLED AT THE TIME OR NOT, BUT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO GET THAT INSTALLED AT THE TIME OF BUILD THAN IT IS AFTER THE FACT. AND THAT COULD HELP US MAKE A, UH, DECISION OF ADDING SOLAR AFTER, LIKE, TO SEE LIKE HOW MUCH ENERGY IS BEING USED IN WHEN AND WHAT KIND OF SOLAR INSTALLATION WOULD MAKE SENSE. JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD CHECK ON THAT. IS, IS THAT DIFFERENT? I MEAN, COULD IS THAT, I WOULD, I KNOW THAT THERE'S 15 MINUTE INTERVAL DATA COLLECTED AT ALL SMART METERS. UM, WOULD THAT BE DIFFERENT FROM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SEPARATE DEVICE OTHER THAN WHAT LIKE PG E SNOW CLEAN POWER ARE USING? THAT MIGHT BE OKAY. MAYBE I'M NOT LIKE, UH, YEAH. OKAY. I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE FROM PG EI, I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OF THAT SITE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, ROBUST BUILDING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, AND I KNOW THEY HAD TO DO SOME VALUE ENGINEERING TO GET TO THE BUDGET AMOUNT [01:20:01] ON THAT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE, THE STATUS OF THAT, BUT I WILL CHECK. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOLAR AT THE SITE. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COVER THE ENTIRE LOAD, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS AT LEAST SOME, SO I'LL, I'LL CHECK INTO THAT TO SEE IF THAT WAS STILL, UM, PART OF THE DESIGN. YEAH, IT'S TITLE 24. THAT WOULD BE TOUGH TO GET RID OF AT LEAST SOMETHING. AND I THINK BATTERIES WERE AS WELL, BUT NOT FOR, YEAH, I MEAN, NOT IN THE CODE, NOT FOR RESILIENCE, BUT FOR, FOR PEAK LOAD SHAVING. UM, I'LL, I'LL CHECK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THAT. ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT? I HAVE A COMMENT. THIS COMMENT IS A LITTLE BITTERSWEET. SO, UM, I DID RECENTLY MOVE THIS MONTH. UH, I MOVED, I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA ANY LONGER. SO, UM, I'M NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE ON THIS COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD, I DON'T THINK WITH M AMY AS THE, UH, COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE. SO, UM, IT HAS BEEN A FUN JOURNEY. I AM LOOKING TO PURCHASE A HOME IN THE CITY AND, UM, I'M HOPING TO REJOIN THE COMMISSION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. BUT, UM, BASED ON MY READ OF THE RULES, THIS WILL BE MY LAST MEETING, AT LEAST FOR THE, UH, NEAR TERM. UM, AND I DO STILL PLAN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE EV AD HOC, OF COURSE, UH, AND THE VARIOUS MEETINGS. UH, I WILL SAY THE NEXT MEETING I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE WINTER AND STORM SEASON AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS ABOUT ADAPTATION ARE STILL NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. AND I DON'T WANT TO GO ANOTHER FLOOD CYCLE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OF LEISURE LAKE, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING, UM, TOP OF MIND. AND SO IF WE'RE CONSIDERING AGENDA TOPICS, UM, FOR THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS, JUST WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT, UM, THE UPCOMING EL NINO SEASON AND FLOODING, AND HOW DO WE BEST PREPARE FOR THAT? UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I, UH, THINK MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. BUT AGAIN, UM, APPRECIATE ALL OF THE DISCUSSION AND COMMENTARY, UH, TONIGHT AND AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS. I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, I THOUGHT THERE WERE, THERE WERE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TWO COUNTY SEATS. THERE'S ONLY ONE COUNTY SEAT. I'LL, I'LL NEED TO LOOK BACK AT IT BEFORE YOU TENDER YOUR RESIGNATION OFFICIALLY. LET'S, UM, LET'S CHECK WITH WITH THE COUNTY COUN OR SEE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, IF HE WORKS INSIDE, THE CITY DOESN'T, IT'S, IT'S A RESIDENCY IS THE, IS THE ELIGIBILITY, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY FINAL DETERMINATIONS. LET'S, LET'S TALK. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL PUT A PAUSE ON THAT BEFORE WE GO. UM, I DID, I JUST DID, WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE COMMUNICATIONS, UH, WORKING GROUP THAT I'M WORKING WITH. UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING AND TALKING FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF OR SOMETHING, PROBABLY A YEAR. UM, AND FEELING A LITTLE DISCOURAGED. AND THEN WE DID RECENTLY FIND THREE, UM, RESOURCES THAT I THINK ARE GONNA HELP US TURN THE CORNER. AND ONE OF 'EM IS A BOOK CALLED COMMUNITY BASED SOCIAL MARKETING WRITTEN BY A GUY 30, 40 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO WE'RE USING THAT TO, UM, FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY ENGAGE THEM IN ACTION. AND THEN THE PORCHES APP FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE OR HAVE NOT HEARD OF IT YET IS, UM, IT'S BEING PILOTED IN PETALUMA AND IT'S A SOCIAL MEDIA TYPE THING, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT ENGAGING WITH EACH OTHER IN PERSON AND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, UM, LIKE A SORT OF DEEPER ENGAGEMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, WRITE AN ESSAY AND JUST POST IT AND OTHER PEOPLE READ IT. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE, UH, RICH THAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, INSTAGRAM OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG, INSTAGRAM'S FINE. BUT, UM, SO THAT IS PETALUMA ONLY. AND SO IT GIVES US THIS AMAZING, UM, MEDIUM FOR COMMUNICATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE. AND IT'S KIND OF EXCITING BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SORT OF LIKE HELPING THIS THING BE CREATED BY PARTICIPATING IN IT. UM, AND IT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING THAT WE NEED FOR CLIMATE COMMUNICATIONS. EVEN BC WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW COMMUNICATIONS ARE SO DIFFICULT AND, UM, SO I THINK THE PORCHES APP COULD BE A REALLY GOOD, UM, WAY TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE THIRD THING THAT JUST HAPPENED TODAY THAT, UM, I GUESS THE COUNTY, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, BUT THE COUNTY HAD SOME KIND OF MEETING TODAY, TANYA, UM, FROM THE S-C-T-C-A, ALSO SAME AS BC CAPS, UM, HAD BROUGHT IN A SPEAKER FROM NYU AND THEY'RE STARTING THIS, UM, COLLECTIVE STORYTELLING THAT IS MEANT TO BASICALLY FOR LIKE COMMUNITIES WITH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE TELLING EACH OTHER'S STORIES, UM, THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO SORT [01:25:01] OF INSPIRE AND, YOU KNOW, EXEMPLIFY THE KIND OF WORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE DONE, LIKE IN, IN TERMS OF CLIMATE WORK. SO, AND THAT'S A NATIONAL EFFORT. UM, SO I WONDER IF, WOULD YOU BE, YOU DID SEND IT TO ME, BUT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THOSE SLIDES FOR LIKE, SEND IT, SEND IT TO THIS BODY SO THAT IF THEY WANNA FOLLOW IT ON FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM, THEY CAN. OKAY, THANKS. SO THAT'S IT. THAT'S JUST MY UPDATE ON THE COMMUNICATIONS. AND, AND DID I READ, READ SOMEWHERE THAT, THAT YOU RECEIVED SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION RECENTLY OF SOME SORT? I DID. I DID. YEAH. . OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I, WE, MY COMPANY, UM, GOT BEST PLACES TO WORK IN THE NORTH BAY, UM, AWARD AND IT WAS VERY MEANINGFUL. YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY THE MOST MEANINGFUL THING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. 'CAUSE WE ALSO HAD, WE, WE'VE WON BEST SOLAR COMPANY IN PETALUMA, AND THAT'S MEANINGFUL TOO. BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE A WORKSPACE THAT IS THE WAY THAT BUSINESS SHOULD BE RUN IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I REALLY WORK HARD FOR. AND I MEAN, I WORK FOR HARD FOR A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THAT JUST AND, AND YOUR BUSINESS IS SOLAR ON ROOFS AND THE LIKE, SO IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING WORK IN THE AREA THAT IS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING STUFF AND GETTING AWARDED FOR IT. RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSONAL WORK OUTSIDE OF THIS. ALSO YOUR, YOUR, UH, PERSONAL ENDEAVORS AS WELL. THANK, UM, AND THEN I LOOKED AT THE PORCHES, WHAT I WASN'T SURE IF, IF, YOU KNOW, UM, IS IT A, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT BE MONITORED 'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS UNMONITORED BASICALLY. YES. AND IF ANYTHING GOES RIGHT AND STUFF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER AND, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MONITORED SO THAT IT, IT IS FOCUSED ON POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM, UH, IT'S AN UPLIFT. YEAH. NOT A DRAG DOWN. YES, IT'S AN UPLIFT RATHER THAN A DRAG DOWN. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE KEY FACTORS IN THERE. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MONITORING GOING ON AND, AND IT'S GOTTA PROBABLY GO THROUGH A, UH, AN EDITOR BEFORE IT GETS PUBLISHED, I THINK. BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT YET. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW IT WORKS WHEN YOU SUBMIT SOMETHING, I THINK YOU CAN POST IT, BUT I DO THINK THINGS ARE MONITORED. AND SO IF THERE WAS ANYTHING KIND OF NASTY THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE THAT MAYBE WOULD TAKE IT DOWN, I'M NOT SURE. RIGHT. BUT I DO ALSO KNOW, SO IT'S BEING PILOTED RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S FREE, IT'S LIKE A IN BETA TESTING RIGHT NOW, BUT EVENTUALLY IT IS A PAID SERVICE. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING, AND IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM PETALUMA VOICE, WHICH IS MORE OF A NEWS STORY, RIGHT. BUT THIS IS ABOUT US, UH, PROVIDING US, UH, POSITIVE EXPERIENCES THAT WE ARE, HAVE HAD AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, HEY, LET'S KEEP IT CLOSE TO THE VEST HERE IN PETALUMA AND DO THINGS HERE IN PETALUMA. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S THE CONCEPT BEHIND THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK IT, IT ENCOURAGES LIKE, PEOPLE CONNECTING WITH EACH OTHER. I'VE ALREADY GONE TO A COUPLE OF THE EVENTS AND I'M NOT REALLY, I MEAN, DESPITE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, I'M NOT REALLY A JOINER. LIKE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO A LOT OF THAT STUFF 'CAUSE I'VE GOT KIDS AND I'M BUSY, YOU KNOW, BUT I'VE GONE TO A COUPLE OF REALLY GREAT EVENTS THAT JUST I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT EXCEPT FOR PORCHES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT I NORMALLY HANG OUT WITH. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THESE COMMUNICATE, WHAT WAS THAT JOIN OR DIE? THAT MOVIE THAT WE DID A SHOWING OF, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO. UM, AND HOW THE NUMBER ONE INDICATOR OF LIKE THE HEALTH OF A, OF A GOVERNMENT OR A SOCIETY IS THE CONNECTION AND LIKE THE, THE, THE THINGS THAT WE DO TOGETHER, CLUBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO, RIGHT. SO, SO REAL ADVANCES, AS YOU JUST SAID. UM, AND ALSO, I, I, UH, LOOKING AT, I'VE SORT OF JOINED THE NEW AQUAS COMMUNITY 2.0. UM, SO I'VE JOINED IN THAT, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS FOUNDING OUT. THE RESEARCH SAYS THAT CONNECTED COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTIONS, LIKE ALL THE ACTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE, THE PERSONAL ACTIONS TO MAKE US GO AND DO THINGS AND, AND MAKE LIFE BETTER. AND, AND IF WE WANT PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR TO CHANGE, IT'S GONNA BE THROUGH SOCIAL CONNECTIVITY, RIGHT? AND SOCIAL CAPITAL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS PART OF THE PORCHES, PART OF THE AQUI COMMUNITY, PART OF COOL PETALUMA. SO GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING HERE. UM, UH, IN FACT, EVEN THIS MORNING, UH, I'VE HEARD SOMEONE THAT LIVES OUT, OUT OUTSIDE OF TOWN AND, AND, AND HE SAID, AND MY MY WIFE SAYS, I LOVE PETAL. WE'RE MOVING PETAL WOODS AS SOON AS WE CAN. OH, . SO, UM, IT'S A GREAT PLACE. SO THAT'S, WE HAVE A REPUTATION HERE. UH, AND IF WE JUST KEEP DOING THIS, AND IT'S BASED ON OUR, UH, SOCIAL CAPITAL THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT WE'RE BUILDING, AND THAT IS A NECESSARY THING TO MOVE FORWARD IN ALL THE ACTIONS THAT, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTIONS THAT WE NEED. MM-HMM . SO I JUST WANNA REACH OUT AND LET, LET FOLKS KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE HAVE A REPUTATION AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE DOING GOOD WORK. YEAH. AND I THINK TO ADD TO THAT, UM, IT FEELS GOOD TO BE CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WE'RE ALL SO COMFORTABLE WATCHING NETFLIX OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, LIKE IN OUR HOUSE OR BEING ON OUR PHONE WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE TRAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT REALLY FEELS GOOD TO CONNECT. AND I THINK ALL THE, ALL THESE SOCIAL CONNECTIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN SORT OF LEAN INTO THE JOY THAT IT BRINGS US, , YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE LIKE, BE ABLE TO SNOWBALL. YEAH. SO. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE MOVING ON TO STAFF [STAFF COMMENT] COMMENT. DURING STAFF COMMENT, [01:30:01] STAFF WILL PROVIDE BRIEF UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION. DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS AND STAFF SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. AND THERE SHOULD BE NO DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS. THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. I JUST HAVE A FEW, UH, THINGS TO SHARE THAT ARE HAPPENING. UH, THIS IS TRANSIT MONTH. UH, AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME FUN THINGS HAPPENING AS IT RELATES TO TRANSIT MONTH OF, UH, ON, UH, LAST FRIDAY, YOU GOT TO RIDE AROUND THE BUS WITH MARIA ARCE, OUR TRANSIT MANAGER. UH, BUT ONE THAT'S COMING UP ON THE 19TH, THERE'S A TRANSIT SCAVENGER HUNT, UH, THAT ENDS AT, UH, LAGUNITAS. UM, AND SO THAT IS ALL, IF YOU ALL, YOU ALL SHOULD BE GETTING THE COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. I, YOU PLEASE BE SURE IF YOU AREN'T ALREADY GETTING THE NEWSLETTER THAT WAS IN THERE. THERE'S ALL OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED FOR THIS MONTH AS IT RELATES TO TRANSIT, UH, WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE LAST NEWSLETTER. UM, THERE ALSO A, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY ATTENDED ONE OF THE TRANSIT COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, UM, AS WE LEARNED EARLIER, 67% OF OUR GRAND HOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN THE CITY. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE FOUND THAT WAS COUNTY THAT YOU SAW COME FROM HOW WE CHOOSE TO GET AROUND. AND SO THIS WHOLE POINT OF TRANSIT MONTH IS TO TEACH PEOPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO UTILIZE, UH, MODE SHIFT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES. UM, AND OUR BUSES ARE FREE. UH, AND SO THAT IS WHAT TRANSIT MONTH IS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT. UM, SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF FUN STUFF IN THERE. THERE IS A TRA UH, RIDE CONTEST HAPPENING AS IT RELATES TO THE WHOLE BAY AREA, UM, THAT IS ALL PART OF THIS TRANSIT, UH, MONTH. SO, UH, THAT WAS IN THE LAST NEWSLETTER. UM, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. UH, ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, UH, TRACKING OUR CLIMATE ACTION CALENDAR THAT HAS ALL SORTS OF STUFF THAT ARE BEING UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS NEXT MONTH. IS THERE A WASTE MONTH? UH, THE HIGH SCHOOLS ARE, ARE GONNA BE DOING A COMPETITION TO WHO CAN, UH, REDUCE OR THE, OR COMPOST THE MOST, REDUCE THE TRASH THE MOST. THEY'RE PUTTING IN, UH, ACTUAL, UH, WASTE STATIONS OF COMPOST, RECYCLING, AND OBVIOUSLY WASTE. UH, AND THE GOAL IS TO SEE WHO CAN DO THE MOST OF THAT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS CLIMATE ACTION PATHWAYS PROGRAM, WHICH IS A YOUTH INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, UH, TO HELP FACILITATE THAT, UH, AND DOING THAT WITH RECOLOGY AS A PARTNER. UH, SO THERE'LL BE MORE INFORMATION COMING OUT ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THEN JUST A FEW THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE CALENDAR THAT ARE ALSO COMING UP. UH, SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD IT UP AND THEN I CLICKED AWAY. UH, THAT ARE THINGS JUST TO NOTE, UH, THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST. I MENTIONED THE SCAVENGER HUNT. UM, THERE IS THE START TO ZERO WASTE MONTH ACTUALLY STARTS NEXT, UH, THURSDAY. THERE IS A ART EXHIBIT HAPPENING AT PETALUMA ART CENTER, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN, WHICH YOU CAN TAKE TRANSIT TO. AND OF COURSE, LUGO IS STILL AVAILABLE. UH, AND SO CHECK OUT THE CALENDARS. REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GETTING, UM, HAPPENING ALL THE TIME. UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS. UH, THERE'S A RIVER CLEANUP COMING. UH, THAT ONE'S NOT ON HERE JUST YET. I JUST GOT THAT TODAY. UH, BUT CHECK THE CALENDAR. THERE IS A LOT OF REALLY GREAT STUFF HAPPENING. UH, UH, ONE THAT, OH, I KNOW WHAT IT WAS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. THERE'S AN APPLIANCE RULES AS IT RELATES TO THIS, UH, BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. UH, IT'S SPECIFIC TO COMMUNITY GOVERNMENT OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BUT, AND COMMUNITIES IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. SO IF YOU WANNA LEARN ABOUT WHAT RULES ARE COMING DOWN AS IT RELATES TO WHAT APPLIANCES PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IT'S A REALLY GREAT WAY TO LEARN WHAT IS BEEN ALREADY APPROVED. UH, AND IT RELATES TO, UH, OUR HEATING MOSTLY. AND, UH, WATER HEATERS DOES NOT DO HVAC, BUT THIS IS A NEW LAW COMING DOWN FROM BACKED THAT IS, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT. THAT'S ON THE CALENDARS NEXT, UH, WEDNESDAY AT 9:00 AM AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S A BAY RAN WORKSHOP THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WENT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER ABOUT HOW TO SAVE ENERGY AT HOME WITH THE NEW EASE PROGRAM THAT IS FOR MIDDLE INCOME, UH, PEOPLE, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO PROMOTE. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WANNA REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS, IS TO STAY A AFOOT A A STAY A AWARE OF THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES AND SHARE THEM SO THAT, UH, AS, AS WE NOTED IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT COMMUNITY, IT HAS TO COME FROM ALL OF US ENCOURAGING ALL OF OUR, UH, PEOPLE THAT WE COME IN CONTACT WITH ABOUT THE WHY AND WHAT THEY CAN DO. SO, UH, ANYWAYS, THAT'S, UH, I THINK WHAT I HAVE, UH, OH, I DID HAVE ONE MORE. THERE WAS AN E-WASTE COLLECTION EVENT LAST MONTH. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE, UH, 30,681 POUNDS OF ELECTRIC WASTE FROM 512 PARTICIPANTS, UH, WAS COLLECTED HERE IN PETALUMA. UM, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY'RE ALL PETALUMA RESIDENTS, BUT IT IS, [01:35:01] UH, WAS A FUN ONE TO READ THAT WHAT HAPPENED. AND THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS ON OUR, UH, CALENDAR. SO AGAIN, JUST WANNA KEEP PROMOTING THAT CALENDAR FOR YOU ALL TO CHECK IT, TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE IT CAN'T ALL GET IN THE NEWSLETTER. THAT'S REALLY THE HARD PART IS THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE TO OUR RESIDENTS. SO THEY'RE DOING OUR PART TO SHARE ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. IT'S IMPORTANT. GOOD. ONE MORE THING FROM, UH, STAFF THAT I HEARD THAT, UH, I WAS HOPING YOU'D TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, TOMORROW IS, IS NOT 25TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF NINE 11 AND ALL THREE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THE, UH, ONE THAT'S MOVED TO DOWNTOWN, TO THE, TO THE TEMPORARY ONE. AND THEN THE FIRE, THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, ARE HAVING ALL THREE, ARE HAVING CEREMONIES AT 8:00 AM UH, TO HONOR, UM, THE FIREMEN WHO, WHO, UM, UH, SERVED, UH, THAT DAY. SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THAT, IT'S GONNA BE A SHORT CEREMONY. YOU GOTTA D BE THERE BEFORE EIGHT. UH, SO, SO GET THERE EARLY IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING, UH, ON THAT. UH, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, UH, AN EVENT. OUR, OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, IS DOING TO HONOR IN NINE 11. THANK YOU. GOOD ONE. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER ONE I DID FORGET TO MENTION. THERE IS A NEW GREEN BUSINESS COHORT, UH, HAPPENING. UH, IT, IT IS THE SAME NOTION OF PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER, BUSINESSES WORKING TOGETHER. WE HAD 17 GET APPROVED. THE CITY, UH, HALL WAS ONE OF THEM THAT WE ARE GREEN CERTIFIED AS A GREEN BUSINESS. WE HAVE 11 GOING THROUGH 11, UH, BUSINESSES GOING THROUGH THIS NEXT COHORT. AND SO, UH, THE COUNTY IS REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT'S A COUNTY PROGRAM, UH, THAT WE ARE TEACHING A, OUR COMMUNITY A NEW, WE'RE TEACHING A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THAT PROGRAM. USUALLY IT'S A ONE-OFF THING THAT YOU DO BY YOURSELF. AND AS WE KEEP MENTIONING, DOING IT TOGETHER IS AN EASIER AND MORE FUN WAY TO DO IT. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7 39. NICE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.