Historic & Cultural Preservation Committee

* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE [CALL TO ORDER] HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, JULY 7TH, 2026. WILL THE CLERK TAKE ROLE? COMMITTEE MEMBER MCMICHAEL? I'M MCMICHAEL MCMICHAEL. COMMITTEE MEMBER MCMICHAEL. PRESENT COMMITTEE MEMBER MATTSON. PRESENT COMMITTEE MEMBER HALL, ABSENT COMMITTEE MEMBER SAXON ABSENT CHAIR, SQUIRREL. PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT, NOW'S THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTERESTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE HCPCS SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE HCPC. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. WE'RE NOW OPEN TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY SPEAKERS, BRING YOUR CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK. HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAT CLOSES. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE ARE NO PRESENTATION ITEMS FOR TODAY. UM, I'LL CLOSE THIS MEETING ITEM AND CONTINUE MEETING. ITEM NUMBER ONE, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR MEETING OF JANUARY 6TH, 2026. WE'RE GONNA TABLE THAT UNTIL NEXT MEETING. ANY AMENDMENTS? NO AMENDMENTS. SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT MEETING. ITEM NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 24TH. WE WILL TABLE THAT AS WELL. AND THEN MOVE ON. MEETING ITEM NUMBER [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] THREE, PUBLIC HEARING RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW APPROVING, OH, I THINK THAT'S TWICE. ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CIRCA 1871 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, INCLUDING A 184 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO THE SITE OF THE STRUCTURE. EXPANSION OF A SIDE RAISED DECK AND PERGOLA AND LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND FINISHES. LOCATED IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AT FIVE 11 KEOKUK STREET, A PN 0 0 6 1 5 1 0 1 0 CITY RECORD NUMBER PLSR 20 26 0 0 1 0. THE THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE PROVISIONS OF CQA PURSUANT TO CQA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 5 3 3 1. HISTORIC RE RESTORATION, HISTORIC RESOURCE RESTORATION REHABILITATION, AND SECTION 1 5 3 0 1 EXISTING FACILITIES. THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND DOES REQUIRE THE COMMITTEE TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. I'D NOW LIKE TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAD CHAIR IF YOU WOULD. UM, PLEASE ASK EACH OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE. ARE THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ON THE COMMITTEE? NO, NONE. ALL RIGHT, THEN ELENA WILL PRESENT. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ELENA LIP. I'M A CONTRACT ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN PETALUMA'S PLANNING DIVISION. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU. SO THE PROJECT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IS A RENOVATION, EXPANSION AND GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS OF THE HOUSE AT 5 1 1 KEOKUK STREET FOR THE OWNER AND RESIDENT, NAOMI RICHMOND. NAOMI RICHMOND'S INTENT IS TO IMPROVE THE GROUND FLOOR OF HER HOME SO THAT SHE MAY AGE IN PLACE. THIS WILL REQUIRE CONVERSION OF GROUND FLOOR, SPACE TO A BEDROOM AND EXPANSION OF A BATHROOM. THE PROPOSED PLAN INCLUDES A MODEST 184 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE WILL DETAIL. SO THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 5,600 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL, WHICH IS A LITTLE SMALL FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF KEOKUK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK BETWEEN GALLAND AND KENT STREETS. THE [00:05:01] GENERAL PLAN LAND USE IS DIVERSE LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE ZONING IS R THREE. THERE ARE TWO RESIDENCES ON THE PROPERTY. ONE IS IN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE REAR. NO CHANGES TO THE REAR STRUCTURE ARE PROPOSED. SO THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION DATE OF THE HOME WAS 1870. AND, UH, THE HOME IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE BRINGING IT BEFORE HAR. OTHERWISE, THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY TRIGGER HAR REVIEW. SO THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, VARIOUS CHAPTERS OF THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE, INCLUDING CHAPTER FOUR R THREE ZONING, UH, CHAPTER FEE PRE 15, PRESERVATION OF THE CULTURAL AND HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT, AND CHAPTER 24, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES FOR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AS WELL AS THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT PRESERVATION GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, SPECIFICALLY THE REHABILITATION STANDARDS. SO THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS LOCALLY DESIGNATED IN 1990, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS SPECIFICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DISTRICT IN THEIR ADOPTING, UH, RESOLUTION. THIS 1870 HOUSE, UH, IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN WHAT WAS CALLED THE CITIZENS EDITION, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY LOCATED, UM, ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY AT THE CORNER OF KENT AND LIBERTY. THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE HAD UNDERGONE PRIOR TO ITS MO UH, RELOCATION, A REAR ADDITION, UM, WHICH WAS MOVED WITH THE ORIGINAL PORTIONS TO ITS CURRENT LOCATION. UH, BOTH PROPERTIES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY SUBDIVIDED AND NEW RESIDENCES WERE BUILT ON THE NEW PARCELS. UM, AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HAS UNDERGONE ADDITIONAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS SINCE IT WAS MOVED, UH, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF THE REAR SECOND FLOOR FOR AN AU PAIR UNIT WAS ADDED IN APPROXIMATELY 1990, ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THE OAK HILL BREWSTER DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED. SO THE CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, OR OHP, HAS FOUR CRITERIA UNDER WHICH A RESOURCE IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING ON THE CALIFORNIA REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THIS PROPERTY SATISFIES TWO OF THE FOUR CRITERIA CRITERIA. ONE IS THAT THE RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN LOCAL OR REGIONAL HISTORY, THE PROPERTY IS EXPLICITLY IDENTIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT ESTABLISHING DOCUMENTS. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT DISPLAYS VINTAGE ARCHITECTURE REPRESENTATIVE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM THE 1850S TO THE 1980S. SO THAT'S CRITERIA ONE. UH, CRITERIA THREE IS THAT THE RESOURCE EMBODIES, UH, DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS, UM, OF A TYPE OR A PERIOD. AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS THE GABLE FRONT VERNACULAR STYLE THAT WAS COMMON FROM THE 1830S TO THE LATE 19TH CENTURY. UM, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE STYLE AND, UH, THE HISTORIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOME, UH, ARE DETAILED IN THE HRE, UH, IN ATTACHMENT FOUR. AND FOR, FOR REFERENCE, I'M LISTING HERE SOME OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS STRUCTURE THAT ARE IN THE HRE, AND WE CAN REFER BACK TO THIS, UH, LATER IN OUR CONVERSATION IF WE NEED TO. THERE ARE SOME FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, AS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, THAT ARE NOT ORIGINAL, UM, INCLUDING THE VERY BEAUTIFUL BUT NOT ORIGINAL SAW CUT BALUSTRADE. UM, AT THE FRONT, UM, IS NOT ORIGINAL. IT WAS ADDED BY MRS. RICHMOND. THE GLASS DOORS, UH, ONTO THE SIDE PATIO ARE ALSO NOT ORIGINAL. UH, THE WINDOW TO BE RELOCATED, UM, HAS BEEN MODIFIED WITH STAINED GLASS AND THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS STRUCTURE IN ITS TIME PERIOD. BUT THEY WERE ACQUIRED BY MS. RICHMOND FROM ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE. UM, HOWEVER THE OPENINGS ARE ORIGINAL. THE SPECIFIC PROJECT WOULD, UH, HAVE THESE VARIOUS CHARACTERISTICS. SO THERE'S 103 SQUARE FOOT INFILL EDITION, UH, IN WHAT IS CURRENTLY A RECESSED, UM, PORCH, UH, INSET INTO THE BUILDING UNDERNEATH THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THAT SPACE WOULD BE FILLED IN, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, 81 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. UM, TO PROVIDE AN ACCESSIBLE BEDROOM, THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE ABOUT 37 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING EXTERIOR DECK. TO MAINTAIN IT, ITS USE AS A SITTING SPACE. UH, [00:10:01] EXISTING WINDOWS WILL BE RELOCATED WHERE POSSIBLE. UM, THE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE OR OLD THERE WOULD, UM, AND THEY'RE NOT UP TO CURRENT ENERGY EFFICIENCY STANDARDS THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, DESIGN. UM, HOWEVER, THESE ARE NOT ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UM, SO THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE, THE OPENINGS OR CHARACTER DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS, BUT THEY'RE, THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES ARE NOT ORIGINAL. THE PROJECT WOULD ALSO RECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING PERGOLA OVER THE DECK, MOVE A TRASH ENCLOSURE UNDER THE PERGOLA AND DECK AREA, AND RELOCATE A LEMON TREE THAT IS CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A FAMILY ROOM AREA, WHICH WILL BE CONVERTED TO A BEDROOM. SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF THE BUILDING THAT WE WILL SEE THEM. UM, THE MODIFICATIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THE EXTERIOR DOORS ARE GONNA BE RELOCATED AND WILL REMAIN AESTHETICALLY THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH THERE'LL BE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THERE WILL BE A SMALL BUMP OUT WITH, UM, SHINGLING THAT WILL MATCH THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE. AND IN PROFILE, ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING, AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED. THERE WILL BE ONE CASEMENT WINDOW ADDED, UM, TO THE BUMP OUT, UM, WHICH, UH, I'M TOLD THEY COULD NOT GET A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW IN THE APPROPRIATE SIZE FROM A MANUFACTURER, SO THEY HAD TO USE A CASEMENT. SO THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 24, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES HAD TO GO UNDERGO A NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH MEETING, WHICH WAS HELD, UH, ON MAY 11TH. 11TH, UH, IN OAK PARK. OAK HILL PARK. UH, ONE, UM, NEIGHBOR ATTENDED AND EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT NOISE. THE PROJECT WAS NOTICED IN THE ARGUS AND MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS ON MAY 29TH, UH, FOR A HEARING SET FOR JUNE 9TH. AT THAT HEARING, THE PROJECT WAS CONTINUED TO A DATE CERTAIN OF JULY 7TH. TODAY. UH, ONSITE SIGNAGE WAS INSTALLED ON THE SITE ON JUNE 16TH, AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT SENT DIRECTLY, UM, TO ME AS THE PLANNER THAT EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AND IS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO AS FAR AS THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UNDERLYING LAND USE OF THE SITE, DIVERSE LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN THE DENSITY, UM, OF THE PROPERTY OR A CHANGE IN THE PROPERTIES USED FROM SINGLE FAM FAMILY DWELLING. UM, AND THE PROJECT IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH, UM, GENERAL PLAN POLICIES THAT PRESERVE THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROTECT HISTORIC RESOURCES. THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONSISTENT, UM, WITH CHAPTER FOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR AN R THREE DISTRICT, AND THAT NONE OF THESE, UM, CHARACTERISTICS, LOT SIZE SETBACK, SITE COVERAGE, HEIGHT LIMIT, OPEN SPACE FENCING OR LANDSCAPING, UM, ARE TRANSGRESSED SO TO SPEAK. THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OAK HILL, THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, AND THE DETAILED FINDINGS ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THE PROJECT IN GENERAL IS EVALUATED FOR ITS COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. WE KNOW THAT STRUCTURES UNDERGONE A GREAT MANY CHANGES IN ITS LOCATION AND, UM, DESIGN AS DETAILED IN THE HRE. HOWEVER, THE PROJECT RETAINS ITS RELEVANCE TO THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN ORDER FOR NAOMI RICHMOND TO AGE IN PLACE AND CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE HOME, SHE FINDS IT NECESSARY TO MAKE UPGRADES TO THE GROUND FLOOR. SO THERE IS A SECRETARY OF INTERIORS ANALYSIS STANDARDS ANALYSIS IN, UH, I BELIEVE ATTACHMENT FIVE THAT, UH, GOES THROUGH IN DETAILS HOW EACH ONE OF THESE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION PROJECT, UM, ARE MET BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT. AND THE REPORT WAS PREPARED BY, UH, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN WITH THE APPROPRIATE QUALIFICATIONS. THE PROJECT IS ALSO CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CQA IN THAT IT INVOLVES MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH A SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION, WHICH IS A SECTION 1 5 3 3 1 EXEMPTION. IT IS ALSO EXEMPT UNDER SECTION 1 5 3 0 1 EXISTING FACILITIES THAT THE PROJECT PROPOSES ONLY MINOR CHANGES IN ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT DON'T CHANGE ITS OVERALL USE OR FUNCTION. AND THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THE USE OF THESE TWO [00:15:01] EXCEPTIONS. SO AT THIS TIME, THE HCPC COMMISSION MAY APPROVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTION AS IS REQUEST CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. CONTINUE THE PROJECT TO A FUTURE HEARING IF THE COMMISSION REQUIRES MORE INFORMATION OR DENY THE PROJECT, IF THE COMMISSION FINDS IT CANNOT MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS. UH, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HCPC APPROVE THE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AT 5 1 1 QK. AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ONE SMALL QUESTION THE NEIGHBOR COMPLAINING OF OR FORESEEING NOISE. WAS THAT CONSTRUCTION NOISE OR IS THERE ANOTHER, UH, CONCERN THAT THAT NEIGHBOR EXPRESSED AT THAT TIME? IT WAS NOT DETAILED TO ME IF THAT WAS CONSTRUCTION NOISE OR JUST ONGOING GENERAL NOISE. UM, SO IN THE STAFF REPORT WE DETAILED THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, INCREASE IN AMBIENT SIGHT NOISE WOULD BE, UH, FROM JUST GENERAL LAND USE, UM, IS SUBJECT TO THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS OF CHAPTER 21 PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. UM, IN THAT THERE ARE SET AMBIENT NOISE LEVELS AND, UM, THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE. AND IF THEY THE CITY RECEIVES A COMPLAINT, WE WOULD ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME. UM, HOWEVER, THE LAND USE IS NOT CHANGING FROM RESIDENTIAL LAND USE TO ANOTHER LAND USE. SO WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OVERALL CHANGE IN THE AMBIENT LAND USE FROM A MINOR ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURE. UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE DURING CONSTRUCTION, THERE ARE LIMITED, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, UH, AND NOISE LEVEL. UM, MAXIMUMS ALSO INCLUDED IN CHAPTER 21 PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. SO IF AT, IF AT ANY TIME DURING CONSTRUCTION NOISE IS NOISE LEVELS ARE EXCEEDED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WOULD BE THAT THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE A COMPLAINT TO ITS CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, DIVISION, AND WE WOULD GO OUT TO INVESTIGATE AND ISSUE CITATIONS IF NECESSARY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS, UH, REPORT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, STAFF HAS DETAILED AND CROSS-REFERENCED THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND IN SO RECOGNIZING STAFF'S TREMENDOUS, UH, DETAILING OF THIS AND ALSO THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS EXPANSION, I WOULD HEREBY MOVE SUBJECT TO ANY COMMISSION QUESTIONS TO, UH, APPROVE THE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW APPROVING HISTORIC, UH, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CALIFORNIA 1871 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE INCLUDING 184 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, EXPANSION OF A SIDE RAISED DECK AND PERGOLA AND LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT OF EXTERIOR WINDOWS, UH, EXCLUDING THE, UH, NEW EDITION, WHICH A, UH, SUITABLE LIKE WINDOW WOULD BE INSTALLED THERE. AND FINISHES LOCATED IN THE OAK HEALTH BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AT FIVE 11 K CARE STREET, A PN OH OH SIX DASH 1 51 OH CITY RECORD NUMBER PLSR 2 26 OH OH. AND, UH, I SO MOVE SUBJECT TO ANY COMMISSION QUESTIONS. UM, MS. MICHAEL, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF STEPS BEFORE WE GO TO THE MOTION. SO WE'LL FINISH THE COMMITTEE QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL RETURN BACK FOR DISCUSSION. AND, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN THE CHAIR CALLS FOR THE MOTION, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY? THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE HCPC? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. [00:20:10] I HAD LIKE TO CALL ON IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. FIRST ONE, NAOMI RICHMOND. FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT REPRESENTED BY ELENA LIP. SHE'S BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND THE ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, IT'S FASCINATING REPORT, ALTHOUGH I WOULD'VE PREFERRED NOT HAVING TO SPEND $8,000 . UM, ALSO HAROLD MATSON KNOWS MY HOUSE BECAUSE HE EVALUATED IT ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO FOR TERMITES. UM, SO, UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE CORRECTION WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED. THE FOUR WINDOWS IN FRONT ARE GOING TO BE KEPT IN THE SAME SIZE AND THE SAME STYLE, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE CASEMENT AS OPPOSED TO DOUBLE HUNG BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS SO NARROW, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOW. IT'S IN THE ADDITION. WE CAN DO A DOUBLE HUNG IF NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S AN ADDITION AND IT WILL HAVE THICKER WALLS. THAT'S THE ONLY CORRECTION I HAVE TO MAKE. I HOPE THAT DOESN'T GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. AND THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND THOUGHTFULNESS. OH, AND I WANNA SAY I'M OLD . I'M TWO AND A HALF YEARS YOUNGER THAN OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT. I'VE HAD A LOT OF HEALTH PROBLEMS AND I NEED TO MOVE ON THIS. I'D LIKE TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND PUBLIC HEARING ANY MORE CONSIDERATION FROM THE COMMITTEE? UH, I, I DON'T SEE WHERE REPLACING A DOUBLE HUNG WITH A CASEMENT WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, THE, THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE IS GONNA BE THE SAME. AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO CONFIRM THAT THE HRE DID ANALYZE THE, UH, WINDOWS AS PROPOSED. IT, IT DID. I'M GONNA LOOK INTO THE ATTACHMENTS FOR THE EXACT AREA WHERE IT DID. BUT IF THE DESIGN IS TO REMAIN THE SAME WITH LIGHT, YOU KNOW, DIVISIONS LIKE THE CURRENT WINDOWS HAVE, UM, THEN VISUALLY THEY WOULD BE EQUIVALENT THAT, LOOK, I I CAN ANSWER THAT. THE PERSON REPLACING THE WINDOWS HAS DONE A LOT OF HISTORIC DISTRICT WINDOWS AND HE'S BEEN CONSISTENT IN, UM, MAINTAINING THE BOOK OF THE HOMES IN THE OAK HILL. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST MOTION TO VOTE. DO YOU WANNA BRING MOTION AGAIN, ? I DON'T, UM, I'M UNCLEAR AS TO CASEMENT VERSUS DOUBLE HUNG. MAYBE. UM, I CAN BE EDUCATED AS TO THAT. CASEMENT, I SEE THE CROSSES ON OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THE WINDOWS AND DOUBLE HUNG. I SEE MAYBE ALUMINUM CLAD, YOU KNOW, UH, DOUBLE HUNG, SO I'M NOT EDUCATED AS TO THAT. IF IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE, OR NOT DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. THERE'S TWO PANELS. IF YOU WOULD TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE SO THAT WE CAN ALL HEAR. THERE YOU GO. THERE, THERE'S TWO PANELS IN A DOUBLE HUNG MM-HMM . AN UPPER AND A LOWER. AND GENERALLY THE BOTTOM WINDOW COMES UP, UM, AND THE OUTER WINDOW COMES DOWN, SO IT VENTILATES IN A CASEMENT WINDOW. THE ENTIRE WINDOW ITSELF, EVEN WITH THE MILLIONS IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OPENS AND CLOSES LIKE A DOOR. SOME OF 'EM ARE HINGED AT THE TOP AND THEY OPEN OUTWARD, BUT THAT'S STILL, STILL CONSIDERED A CASEMENT. IT FITS WITHIN THE CASE OF THE WINDOW FRAME. THANK YOU. OH, WITH THE MOTION PREVIOUSLY STATED, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT I MOVE THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF THE, LIKE, FOR LIKE WINDOWS IN THAT MOTION. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR, UH, THIS IS INCREDIBLE, UH, RESEARCH AND EDUCATION AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT. CAN WE REQUEST A VOTE PLEASE? COMMITTEE MEMBER MCMICHAEL AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER MATSON AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER HALL. ABSENT COMMITTEE MEMBER SAXON ABSENT CHAIR SCHOOL. AYE. MOTION PASSED. THAT CLOSES MEETING NUMBER THREE OR ITEM NUMBER THREE. AND CONTINUES, CONTINUES. UH, JUST A NOTE ON THE, UH, THE, UM, APPROVAL BY HCPC. IT IS SUBJECT TO A 14 DAY APPEAL [00:25:01] PERIOD. SO IF AN APPEAL WOULD HAPPEN TO BE RECEIVED ON, UH, THE COMMITTEE'S DECISION, UM, MS. LIP WILL CONTACT YOU ABOUT THAT AND, AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THE APPROPRIATE STEPS TO TAKE. OKAY. CAN I HIRE THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO BEGIN THE PROCESS FOR SUBMITTING THE PERMIT OR NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TWO YEARS? TWO, TWO WEEKS? UH, I DON'T SEE, UH, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE RECORD, UM, I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT. JUST UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE AT YOUR OWN RISK DURING THE 14 DAY APPEAL PERIOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. THANK YOU YOU ALL. ANY COMMITTEE [COMMITTEE COMMENT] COMMENTS? UM, THAT'S IT. THEN I'D LIKE TO INVITE ANDREW TRIPPE TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING MA MANAGER'S REPORT. SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH TO REPORT. I, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY IS ANNUALLY NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE CITY WRAPPED UP AND MS. MCMICHAEL WAS PART OF THAT, THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE HELD DURING THE MONTH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR REPRESENTING ON BEHALF OF HCPC AND, AND, UM, SUPPORTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITUATION WITH THE, THE PROJECTS THAT HCPC REVIEWS IS THAT THEY ARE OFTENTIMES, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. UH, THAT'S BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE COMPRISED OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AS OPPOSED TO, TO COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. UM, WE DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS IN THE PIPELINE, UM, THAT, UH, STAFF IS WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE PRESENT TIME THAT MAY COME FORWARD FOR HCPC TO REVIEW, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS IS ON HCPCS AGENDA. SO YOU CAN KEEP THAT IN MIND. CERTAINLY FOR THE MONTH OF, OF AUGUST, WE WOULD NOT BE HOLDING A MEETING PERHAPS IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, UH, WE MIGHT BE BRINGING FORWARD AN ITEM FOR YOUR REVIEW. WE WOULD OF COURSE DO A, UH, QUORUM CHECK WELL IN ADVANCE, UH, TO GIVE YOU NOTIFICATION OF THAT. OKAY. AND, UM, SECOND THEN I, I THINK I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER CAROLINE HALL, WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY SERVED, UM, OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR AS THE PETALUMA MUSEUM REPRESENTATIVE, WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR REAPPOINTMENT BY THE PETALUMA MUSEUM AND COUNCIL DID APPROVE HER REAPPOINTMENT. SO, UM, SHE'LL BE REJOINING THE COMMITTEE THEN GOING FORWARD. GREAT. AND THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU. CHAIR. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? YES. THIS WEEKEND, UH, WE WILL CELEBRATE PLANT AND GARDEN, I BELIEVE ON SUNDAY. AND IN RECOGNITION OF, I'D JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE HISTORIC TREES AND, UH, BEAUTIFUL PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT PETALUMA, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME TOGETHER. AND AS PART OF OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL HERITAGE, CERTAINLY THE GARDENS OF PETALUMA RIVAL ANY OTHER CITY IN THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 4:40 PM GREAT. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.